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let's go

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yeah yeah

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welcome back to cab Tuesday baby I'm

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your host DJ and guess what put your red

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headlamps on cause we going bigfooting

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tonight and we brought you an original

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gangster up in here to do this with but

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before we go any further let me

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introduce the rest of cab starting off

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with the co-creator executive producer

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uh co-conspirator of fun entertaining

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and interesting talk about what Matt

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calls The Unexplained money Nathan

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what's up brother yes indeed and

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explained it's going well good to be

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with you guys Happy Wednesday it feels

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like a Wednesday which is rare usually

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Wednesdays feel like Thursday so it is

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Wednesday and I'm feeling it and I'm

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excited about it that's right and you

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know what this one been circled on the

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calendar for a little bit uh but let's

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talk about our uh our person that's in

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the mental health field uh someone who's

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an original gangster of the joint uh

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someone who we love very much and that

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is a study of uaps also known as Deb

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hello everyone happy hump day

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hello Deb so so glad to have you here

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buddy I'm glad you were able to make it

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because you've been putting in some long

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hours over there making sure people are

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taken care of obviously uh Julia's in

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the chat what's up hi Jules welcome back

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again this is your second episode back

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and of course my homie from up in the

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great white North Scott gearen our pair

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rescue Legend uh man

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our guests we gotta tell them about some

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of the tracks and howls that this dude's

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here right outside his property uh so

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before uh further Ado though uh this

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episode is brought to you by none other

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than the host of Bigfoot Crossroads and

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new cabbie Matt now

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here I am Stuck In The Middle With You

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middle of the week middle of the week I

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eat that song when I was active duty

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we'll get we'll get to that later uh and

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man back from living loving she's just a

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woman as Led Zeppelin might say out west

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skiing her ass off put it together for

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Leah Prime Time prime time oh man TJ it

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should be my ringtone hey folks

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welcome back prime time we missed you

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buddy we're glad that we could get you

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off the slopes and the only reason is is

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I told the chairlift guy to shut it off

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man I'd send him a hundred that's how we

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got you from shut it down yeah

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all right oh man so again this one was

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circled on the calendar and uh when when

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it went down I was he's like oh man I

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know I know Vic I I can get this up I'm

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like Matt man Original Gangster man he

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goes I can I can make this happen I was

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like awesome so uh our guest tonight is

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the prolific host of three shows Bigfoot

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eyewitness radio my Bigfoot sighting and

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dog man encounters he treats the

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experiencers with Karen respect and

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offers that same regard to both bigfoots

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and dogmen themselves party people put

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those hands together for Mr Vic Conde

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well thanks for the great invite and a

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good introduction I don't deserve it but

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yeah thank you damn the way you taking

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care of everybody Vic you deserve this

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man the way you know Nathan's listened

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to these episodes he turned me on to

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um you know just like I said the care

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and the regard uh with which you you you

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treat the people that come on

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uh the empathetic way that you deal with

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them and also I could tell that you have

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a genuine respect

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for these creatures uh all of all of

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them that we've mentioned in the intro

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well I don't have a genuine respect for

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dogmen Sasquatch I do but

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eyewitnesses who have been tormented by

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these guys by these things and have

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respect for them I mean what they do in

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a lot of cases in most cases is pretty

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despicable when they interact with

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people so no I don't have any respect

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ones that do interact with people in

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almost every case it's just deplorable

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how they go out of their way to deterize

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people and try to ruin their lives it's

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just horrible I I have an idea about

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that I think Nathan will sign on to this

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that I wanted to float to you but you

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know cab has done certain fundraisers

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and stuff before so what if we were to

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raise money to get a front line t top

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spot you know flea and tick preventative

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and then we'll distribute it out in the

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lbl to Dogman wouldn't that improve

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their mood if we were I mean Dogman

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fleas and ticks I mean you know is that

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an idea that's worth doing you know is

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making sure they're treated for fleas

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and ticks maybe they'd be friendlier

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know that ticks are a big problem in the

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lbl so it might help all right so yeah I

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Nathan we gotta distribute Dogman

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deserves flea and tick preventive would

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you agree it must oh man yeah I mean

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what uh we'll put it on the healthcare

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plans for it that way what about Milk

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that's right for all the good boys if

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you don't attack a human at least this

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week you know I'm willing to spring for

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a Nyla bone just so you can chew on it

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large size Milk Bones but uh that aside

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all kidding aside let me pass you over

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the capable hands of my brother money

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Vic it is great to have you with us uh I

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can't say just like how impressed I am

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with all the shows that you do and and

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the way that you treat your guests as DJ

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said uh you know we're big big fans of

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that and your content

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um I was listening to one of your recent

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shows and I was really struck by

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something that the guest said and I

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wonder if you kind of reflected on this

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a little bit as well but they basically

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put it like this that that the same

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response to experiencing something like

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this experiencing encrypted uh dog man a

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Bigfoot whatever is to be obsessed with

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and I wonder after all the interviews

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that you've done your own experiences if

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that you know resonates with you

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well the response you get from my

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on one hand you've got the people who

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are just drawn to it like a a moth to a

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flame they can't get enough info about

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dogmen it's an obsession after they have

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their first encounter and then on the

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people who after having their experience

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particularly bad ones but they don't

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avoid thinking about dogmen were wolves

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they just avoid it like the plague so

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while some do actually get drawn to the

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topic and they have this insatiable

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desire for knowledge like I said others

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it just depends on the person and it

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encounter they had

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traumatized I mean it seems like that

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not want anything to do with it but

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they come out at the end of that

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experience well a lot of it just has to

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do with the nature of the person some

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thinking about dogmen any more than

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necessary other people just because of

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their makeup okay yeah right from the

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start even after an extremely traumatic

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encounter they can't get enough info

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about them they're constantly listening

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to shows and that right there in and of

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itself can be a huge problem considering

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the almost fad nail for people making up

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fake stories about Dogman attacks and

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everything like that but yeah I mean

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some people even after a very traumatic

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encounter right away they just dig deep

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into the topic and try to find out all

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they can about these guys so it just

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what's going to determine what direction

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I want to just stumble backward real

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quick Vic if we could draw sort of like

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use a music appreciation analogy it is

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there a different hook for bigfoot than

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dog man that Drew you in what what was

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the thing that Drew you into each of

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these if it's if it's the same or

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well I was drawn to the Bigfoot topic

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just because of the the interest in

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Things That Go Bump in the night

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is Matt will tell you I mean back in

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named Sheen McMahon but yeah back then I

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every opportunity because it was to me

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almost it was

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there was like an Allure to the

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is you know how people can't look away

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from the car crash well that's basically

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it but with dog man that's not the case

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any Fascination for dog men people think

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for some reason they think that in my

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spirit time I listened to Dogman

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podcasts and I'm a dog man connoisseur

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but no far from it

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Matt he's got my go-to show I have a

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problem with insomnia no not from

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helping people with their dog man

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encounters I just have a hard time

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sleeping a lot of the time but yeah my

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go-to show when I can't sleep is Bigfoot

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Crossroads in Bigfoot Outlaw radio I

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mean if I had a nickel for every episode

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of of that show that I've listened to or

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those two shows I've listened to

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I'd be a rich man so yeah for the fun

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side of things that's where Bigfoot

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comes in but for the more serious side

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of things yeah that's where dogmen come

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in yeah back when I was I think it was

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2007. that's when I spoke with my first

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Dogman eyewitness and after speaking

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with him I thought you know what there's

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a really big Niche here that needs to be

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filled if you have an encounter with a

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Sasquatch that frightened you that

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traumatized you you can almost go to

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your corner grocery store and find

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someone to talk with and get help okay

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encounter with one of these guys with a

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dog man

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who are you gonna go talk with

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yeah there wasn't really anyone back

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then that you could seek out for help

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coming to terms with your encounters

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yeah there are people back then who

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might want to take your money or do

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things like that but

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there I didn't know of anyone back then

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you could go to that wasn't going to

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charge you a dime for helping you was

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just going to do the best they could to

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help you come to terms with your Dogma

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related experience or experiences as it

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sometimes is but yeah I just felt there

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was a need and years later after that I

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put the pieces into place to start the

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website dogmanaccounters.com and then

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the report started coming in I spoke

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with eyewitness after eyewitness and

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then after that after some period of

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time that's when I actually started

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airing episodes of the show and then I

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aired the first episode of Dogman

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encounters on August

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22nd of 2015. so it's been a wild ride

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yeah

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um I was going to say basically in yogic

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terms or in terms that everybody here

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understands these days you've created a

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safe space whereas there was exist there

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were safe spaces uh so to speak that

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existed that people could share

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Bigfoot's experience but not Dogman and

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you created that safe space like we

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would say in yoga so I think that's uh

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that's awesome uh and we will by the way

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Vic everything and anything uh you send

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me on DM that will go in the show notes

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uh tonight when I when I type those up

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so so anything that you'd like me to put

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out I will have those links up uh for

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anyone that uh isn't familiar with Vic

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any UFO heads out there uh let's go over

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to Deb please okay so I had a question

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that I was told to reserve for this

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episode and it had to do with how much I

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love dogs and whether or not that would

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change my encounter and it sounds like

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it's funny but actually the underlying

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question is does intention impact these

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encounters with these Cryptids with dog

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that is a great way to put it Deb now

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you framed it differently it was funny

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before last time you said it but go

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ahead Vic I'm sorry

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Oh no you're fine no intention doesn't

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seem to steer how these encounters play

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out normally it doesn't seem to steer

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that at all the dog men are gonna do

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what they're going to do they have

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something in mind you know they travel

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the distance that they did to force this

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encounter to happen they've got a goal

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in mind and in almost every case

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the goal is to terrify you to within an

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inch of your life and then once they can

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see that's been accomplished move on

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over the years I've been doing this

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since I spoke with that first eyewitness

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in 2007. I've spoken with thousands upon

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thousands of Dogman eyewitnesses

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that it can be hard to see how that

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could be the case but understand

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something I mean for a long time to give

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you an idea of the volume I deal with

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for a long time

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I don't even bat an eye if I have three

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four brand new encounters come in in one

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day and in some days obvious many a

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seven or eight

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brand new Dogman encounters coming in

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from Dogman eyewitnesses I've never

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heard from before well that's been that

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way for a long time so over the years

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I've been doing this yeah the number of

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people I've spoken with about their

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encounters is huge well a lot of these

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people don't want to be guests on the

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show and it always gets me when people

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they say well you know I would reach out

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to you for help dick but I don't want to

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be a guest on the show well there's no

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requirement to be a guest on Dogman

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encounters there never has been a

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requirement

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I'd help dogmen eyewitnesses and oh by

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the way I had also happened to have a

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podcast that's really what's going on

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it's all about helping the eyewitnesses

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if you want to do a show then by all

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means let's do a show but the most

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important thing is helping eyewitnesses

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come to terms with their encounters

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some people well in most cases people

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benefit from coming on and doing a show

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where they air their their

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experiences and put themselves out there

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and then when they see how they're

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received by the listeners

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that helps them grow and it benefits

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them which that's what this is all about

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but for some people it would be a huge

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mistake to come on and record a show so

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I always tell people you know there's no

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pressure to ever come on and do a show

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it's totally up to you I've had people

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reach out to me and say you know what

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Vic when I ask why they want to do a

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show they say well you know I'll help

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you out Vic I'll come on and I'll be a

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guest do you a favor well I don't need

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you to do me a favor if you want to do a

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show it's got to be for the right

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reasons because of your own personal

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reasons you think it's gonna benefit you

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help you come to terms with your

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encounter or encounters

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or some people they'll tell you that

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they want to do it to help other people

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because they think okay I had my

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encounter just outside of Nashville and

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maybe someone else in this area is going

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to listen who until they heard the show

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they're going to think it's just me

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who's ever had an experience with one of

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these guys and then bam okay well my

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show is they get to say well listen to

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that this guy he lives here and he

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hadn't encounter too so yeah I mean the

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reason behind why they want to come on

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and do a show that's also important to

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me but I just tried to do all this for

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the right reasons don't always succeed

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but that's what I try to do

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this is really ironic because the

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individual who asked you that question

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Deb has a UAP Med uh Coalition that

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she's one of the principals of that

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basically has the very same mission that

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basically you know people can uh contact

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them and talk about what's happened to

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them and even get uh get professional

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help with it if if necessary so that is

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ironic isn't it Debs

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yeah I'm actually thinking if you have a

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link for the Dogman support okay I need

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that it's just a show it's like you

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contacting him right well no it's the

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website dogmanencounters.com okay that's

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how you can reach out to me for help if

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you have a an encounter a Dogman

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encounter that you need help with and

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something else I get asked about all the

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time is do I help Sasquatch our

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Witnesses well no I don't I have two

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Bigfoot podcasts I also have a

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paranormal podcast that's been out for

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over a year now called my paranormal

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experience but

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I only help Dogman eyewitnesses come to

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terms if you look at all the people out

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there good people out there who can help

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Sasquatch eyewitnesses come to terms

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with their encounters I mean I can't

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think of a better person to do that than

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Matt Knapp here I mean he's a great guy

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obviously very well read very well

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spoken I mean I don't need to jump into

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that side of this when you have so many

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good people like him who are available

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easy to reach to help eyewitnesses with

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their Bigfoot encounters now I just

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focus on helping Dogman eyewitnesses

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come to terms with their experiences and

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yeah that's that's my forte

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so awesome of you and Jules was quick on

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the draw she had your website up and

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again we'll have all those links

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including the one the one pod I didn't

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know about we'll we'll make sure that we

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have those in the show notes before I

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post this episode

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um and let the aforementioned the great

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one the Wayne Gretzky of uh Bigfoot Matt

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Knapp

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geez you humble me with your word sir

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are you wearing a number 99 Jersey right

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now I hope you are I I am not I am not

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uh dick man I will cash out that to you

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after the show

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um to venmo Vic

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you know both of us have been involved

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in this in a long time and I know that

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you've spoken with a lot of Bigfoot

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Witnesses uh that have what's uh

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commonly referred to as habituation uh

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encounters where they have ongoing

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activity and interactions with the

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Bigfoot do you run across that in the

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dog man sector as well

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oh yeah yeah all the time what gets me

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though is I wish you could say it's

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uncommon to talk with an eyewitness who

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lives out in the middle of nowhere who's

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got these guys living around their cabin

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their house whatever who

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gets their situation totally wrong but

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unfortunately it's a common thing where

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I'm contacted by somebody who talks

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about an encounter that they had 20

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years ago and that's how they realize

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that they have dogmen living around

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their cabin or dogmen are living around

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their home way out in the sticks and

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then they go on to tell me how

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they are still here 20 years later

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because of all the precautions they've

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taken to protect themselves from these

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dangerous dogmen so when I hear that I

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say oh you take precautions to protect

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yourself what have you done

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to protect yourself

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from these guys for the past 20 years

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and then they'll go on to tell you how

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they don't go out after dark they if

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they need to go deep into the woods or

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into the woods period they only do it on

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bright sunny days in the middle of the

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afternoon and then after they tell you

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all these things that they think they're

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doing to protect themselves that's when

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you let them know you help them

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understand look these guys they're out

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and about during

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daylight hours on the brightest days are

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out doing their thing in the woods

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sometimes Out of the Woods as well if

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they wanted to come and get you when you

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stay inside the house to protect

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yourself at night if they wanted to come

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into your house and get you there's not

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a door around that's going to stop them

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there's not a window around that's going

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to stop them they can come through

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pretty much any wall and get you if they

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want to do that but here's the good news

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you've been living there for 20 years

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and not once has a single hair in your

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head been harmed not once has a dog man

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broken a pane of glass in your home and

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that's because

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of the best possible reason there is

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they don't want to come in and get you

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the dog man you encountered 20 years ago

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that was standing within grabbing

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distance of you

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but never harmed you

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it had you dead to rights

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you were hundreds of yards from your

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cabin you told me you had you dead to

543
00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:25,200
rights and you walked away from that for

544
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:27,659
one reason and one reason only like I

545
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:29,880
said he didn't want to hurt you he

546
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:33,000
wanted to get a rise out of you so yeah

547
00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:35,100
understand the difference understand

548
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:37,740
what makes these guys tick and that

549
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,140
right there is the key to dealing with

550
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,240
your encounter in a healthy way but no

551
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:44,880
that's just one example of tons of

552
00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:47,220
eyewitnesses who have contacted me who

553
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:49,620
are an ongoing

554
00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:51,900
you can't say relationships but they

555
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:54,260
have ongoing experiences contact guys

556
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:58,380
are there people that claim to have uh

557
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:59,460
positive

558
00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:01,380
and peaceful relationships like some

559
00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:02,820
people claim in the you know in the

560
00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:04,020
Bigfoot Community where they're

561
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:08,520
interacting as friends pretty much well

562
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,679
I have yet to talk with anyone who talks

563
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,480
about having a quote-unquote friendly

564
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,400
relationship with a dog man it's more a

565
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:16,440
matter of Tolerance I mean I know of

566
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,659
people who have them around and they

567
00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:20,880
seem to be acting as somewhat of a

568
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:22,460
guardian

569
00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:25,980
but I can't think of any instances where

570
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,200
they've displayed any kind of behavior

571
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,840
that could be considered as being

572
00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:33,840
friendly they just tolerate you being

573
00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:36,600
around they do things that seemingly

574
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:40,260
will help the person but I think more

575
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:43,380
than likely it's helping them out of

576
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,720
happenstance more so than the dog man is

577
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,640
doing this or doing that to actually

578
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:48,960
help them

579
00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:52,020
so yeah unlike With Sasquatch as you

580
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:54,179
know there are situations where these

581
00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:56,220
guys they do seem to look out for people

582
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,380
and they do seem to intentionally

583
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:00,600
protect them I can't tell you I do know

584
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:02,700
of one instance this lady

585
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,720
she was about to be raped by several men

586
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:08,580
it was

587
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:10,919
at some kind of concert that was kind of

588
00:24:16,010 --> 00:24:13,620
like a Woodstock type setup where the

589
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:16,020
stage was way over there and there are

590
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:19,799
tons of people the ported Johns were all

591
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,020
they're the wines to the ported Johns

592
00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:24,299
were ridiculous so she really had to go

593
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:26,340
so she just headed for this distant wood

594
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:29,220
line well she went into the wood line

595
00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:30,900
just far enough where people wouldn't be

596
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,760
able to see her and there were some guys

597
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:34,320
back there that made their presence

598
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:37,500
known and next thing you know they were

599
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:39,000
trying to rape her well all of a sudden

600
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:42,120
the dog man made its presence known and

601
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,520
well I'll just say he talked them out of

602
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:46,320
it

603
00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:48,299
they beat feet like there's no tomorrow

604
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:50,700
Leah I don't know like if you're seeing

605
00:24:56,270 --> 00:24:53,940
like you know a dog man dog man like

606
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,280
contact near like this mountain area

607
00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:58,080
where you're staying I'm thinking like

608
00:25:02,690 --> 00:25:00,539
you carry like a foot long subway BMT

609
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,700
you can counter one you sort of slowly

610
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:05,039
take it out of the plastic sheath unwrap

611
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:07,980
it and be like here you have the BMT you

612
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:10,260
can have my baked lays I'm headed back

613
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:12,059
this way

614
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:14,460
that's exactly my strategy

615
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:18,059
uh or I'll be taking big packs of like

616
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:19,980
raw steak out with me when I'm in the

617
00:25:22,679 --> 00:25:26,630
raw meat

618
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:29,029
so uh this has been super fascinating

619
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,900
right like like I came of age on Art

620
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,760
Bell and a lot of the Bigfoot stories

621
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:34,860
but don't know anything uh about these

622
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:36,120
encounters

623
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:37,380
um Vic I was wondering if you could talk

624
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,940
a little bit about

625
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:40,620
um indigenous myth or traditional

626
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,419
stories around these kinds of encounters

627
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:45,360
if you have any familiarity with that

628
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:48,299
some have been shared with me but I'd be

629
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,299
lying if I said that I could recall many

630
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,480
details about any of them it's a Canard

631
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:57,120
that just persists and persists that

632
00:26:02,750 --> 00:25:59,220
that Native Americans don't have any

633
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:02,760
legends about dogmen a lot of people who

634
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,700
try to say that dogmen don't exist and

635
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:07,559
then when you ask them about why they

636
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,820
say that they say well the Native

637
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:10,860
Americans they don't have any legends

638
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:12,179
about them well yeah that couldn't be

639
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:14,460
further from the truth a lot of Native

640
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,659
Americans

641
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:18,120
a lot of tribes have legends about these

642
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:21,960
guys so yeah there's so many things

643
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,080
about dogmen that are misunderstood so

644
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:27,120
many lies floating around about them

645
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,200
that's just one of many out there

646
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,360
um can I can I squeak in a second

647
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,299
follow-up question thank you DJ

648
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,880
um so uh going off that especially this

649
00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:40,320
notion that there's a lot of

650
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,059
misconceptions and sort of bad

651
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,919
information or poor understanding out

652
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:45,120
there

653
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,779
um

654
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,760
could you give just like a basic

655
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,440
overview

656
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:52,080
um of the subject particularly what

657
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:53,880
themes or events characterize these

658
00:27:02,930 --> 00:26:59,630
can you rephrase that I think you lost

659
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,940
me I want to make sure I understand you

660
00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:05,279
what sort of theme or events

661
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,559
characterize these encounters like do

662
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:09,600
you tend to hear like repeated reports

663
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,840
of sounds or physical encounters or

664
00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:15,840
smells or even like particular locations

665
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,220
where people tend to have these

666
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,679
experiences and and can I just cut in

667
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:21,840
while you're at it uh Scott gearen in

668
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:23,460
the chat is asking if you could tell

669
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:24,840
what a dog man is so if you could

670
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,419
preface with that and then go into the

671
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:29,580
kind of uh events and encounters and how

672
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:32,279
they unfold what Leo's asking

673
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,480
well a Cryptid is a creature that is

674
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,640
purported to be in existence that

675
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:40,799
science doesn't officially acknowledge

676
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:43,860
to be in existence that's what a Cryptid

677
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:45,900
is the most commonly talked about

678
00:27:51,289 --> 00:27:48,840
Cryptid is obviously Sasquatch you've

679
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,299
got another Cryptids like Nessie the

680
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:54,000
Loch Ness monster of course and others

681
00:28:00,769 --> 00:27:58,140
Mothman but Dogman seems to be right up

682
00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:00,779
there probably number two or number

683
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:03,299
three now in popularity when it comes to

684
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:07,740
Cryptids dogmen are Cryptids that can

685
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:10,500
range in size from maybe a foot or two

686
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:13,080
tall for a pup all the way up to 11 or

687
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:15,539
12 feet tall on their back legs at full

688
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,980
maturity when you're talking about a

689
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:17,760
male

690
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,120
but if you've ever seen a werewolf movie

691
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:22,640
like

692
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,120
underworld or Van Helsing

693
00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:29,520
imagine the werewolf from that movie but

694
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:31,500
instead of a situation where it's a

695
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:34,679
human transforming via magic or or

696
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:37,380
whatever else into the form of a beast

697
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:40,020
to look that way imagine imagine

698
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:42,659
something that looks that way

699
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:47,279
24 7 365. and that's what a Dogman is

700
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:49,260
now

701
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:53,039
as far as their behavior yes they in a

702
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,620
lot of cases do look like Mindless

703
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:58,140
monstrous killing machines but to

704
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,900
describe their behavior there are cases

705
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,120
where they have attack people but in

706
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,559
most cases

707
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,480
like I said earlier

708
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:08,640
the behavior pattern is normally if

709
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:10,440
there's an interaction between a Dogman

710
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,919
and a human the purpose is to terrify

711
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:15,539
that person to within an inch of their

712
00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:17,100
life and then once they can see that's

713
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,190
I mean just the the thought of what it

714
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,720
looks like is is so terrifying something

715
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,700
that's sort of snarling and you know

716
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:31,200
there's different faces some have the

717
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,700
German Shepherd face some have the

718
00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:34,980
Anubis face and Vic I've heard you talk

719
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:36,539
about some have this sort of flatter

720
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:39,240
face more like I guess the pit bullish

721
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,260
sort of face so uh that's pretty scary

722
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:45,299
stuff man it really is

723
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:48,899
um so uh Julie's asking in the chat has

724
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:50,700
there been an uptick or did you notice

725
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,740
that there's been a great uptick in

726
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:55,039
Dogman encounters if so when

727
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:58,380
now I haven't noticed any uptick a lot

728
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,059
of people think that there is an uptick

729
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:02,399
in sightings because

730
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:05,220
you see all these podcasts out earring

731
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:08,220
encounters now so that makes you think

732
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:10,679
that there's a ramping up effect but

733
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,559
yeah it's been my experience it

734
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,419
it's pretty much

735
00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:17,700
no different now than it's been years

736
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,340
ago I mean it's

737
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:22,740
I think what you're looking at is a

738
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:24,659
situation where our ability to

739
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:27,059
communicate is so much more efficient

740
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,880
now than it's ever been that's why it

741
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,440
seems like there are more encounters now

742
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:33,419
I mean think about it back in the 80s if

743
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,179
someone in China had an encounter

744
00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:38,880
or in New Zealand

745
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:40,919
it could take a while for that to get

746
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:43,620
out and to get around and for people to

747
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:45,240
hear about it but now

748
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:47,220
with our communication being so

749
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,240
efficient

750
00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:50,880
it can happen this morning and then this

751
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:53,580
afternoon it can be plastered over every

752
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:56,279
newspaper or maybe not newspaper but

753
00:31:01,850 --> 00:31:00,299
every news agency on TV you name it so

754
00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:01,860
yeah I think that's what you're looking

755
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:04,860
at our ability to communicate over the

756
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:06,360
whole globe now is so much more

757
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,279
efficient that's why it seems like

758
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,840
that's the case

759
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:11,760
so there you go Jules they may have been

760
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:14,279
terrifying people in the lbl generations

761
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,919
ago but people you know uh you didn't

762
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:18,240
know about it plus you have the whole

763
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:20,460
cultural aspect where a lot of people

764
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:23,340
from as they say in Appalachia uh if

765
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:24,899
you're not from there and they don't

766
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:27,600
know you or you're not I guess that's a

767
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,399
better way to say it if if you're not

768
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:30,960
from there they're not going to open up

769
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,520
to you about what they've experienced

770
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:34,320
you can go in there and try and

771
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,059
interview them and I think the healthier

772
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,000
folks ran into that to a degree

773
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:41,760
um so Vic uh one of the the awesome

774
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,240
things uh as you alluded to people do

775
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,760
call you and share things with you there

776
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:49,620
are some people I believe that probably

777
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,860
only have shared things with you which

778
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,260
is a compliment to you and your show and

779
00:32:02,570 --> 00:31:58,799
you as a person uh and one of those that

780
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,580
was fascinating that um uh that's been

781
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:05,279
on your show as a young lady uh who owns

782
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:07,620
a home in Montana named Robin who has

783
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,940
been on four episodes of uh Bigfoot

784
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:13,980
eyewitness radio and if anybody wants to

785
00:32:18,529 --> 00:32:15,899
know those I can get you those numbers

786
00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:18,539
but they're absolutely riveting what

787
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,179
what happened uh with this woman

788
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:23,279
um can you delve into that a little bit

789
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,140
and and just tell the audience a little

790
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,320
bit about what Robin has experienced and

791
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:31,200
and where they're at even today

792
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,159
foreign

793
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,100
yeah Robin she's good people a really

794
00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:37,440
nice lady it's so unfortunate though the

795
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,200
situation that she's in she doesn't seem

796
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,899
to be too terrified of the dogmen that

797
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:44,640
around her property well

798
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:46,860
let me qualify that there's one that

799
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:49,980
just is monstrous in its appearance the

800
00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:53,159
other dog man on her property

801
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,659
it's never going to give you the warm

802
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:57,240
and fuzzies to look at a dog man and to

803
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,919
think okay yeah Dogman might be right

804
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,440
outside the house right now but these

805
00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:03,059
other dogmen

806
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:06,179
they don't have that terrifying vibe

807
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:10,440
that this one dog man has but yeah the

808
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,399
situation that she's in she has a a

809
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:17,760
cabin slash house she calls it a cabin

810
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:20,460
but it's a really nice house that's got

811
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:23,700
Captain like qualities to it but it's

812
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:25,880
been her family for years upon years

813
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:28,559
well because of that

814
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:31,019
that's why she's so reluctant to sell it

815
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:33,899
and move out of the area but almost ever

816
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:37,200
since she's lived there she's at

817
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:40,799
issues with these guys now

818
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:43,260
in the early days I guess there were

819
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:46,200
more issues than they are now now she'll

820
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:48,539
have experiences from time to time that

821
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,519
frighten her but for the most part

822
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:52,799
she'll see a Dogman over here see a dog

823
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,140
man over there so it's not a an issue

824
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:57,600
they're not trying to frighten her or

825
00:34:02,810 --> 00:33:59,880
terrorize her but

826
00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:02,820
the big problem that she faced not long

827
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:04,919
after she moved in is her daughter is

828
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,659
sensitive and these dog men they seem to

829
00:34:13,869 --> 00:34:11,520
be trying to communicate with her

830
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:13,879
daughter and lure her daughter outside

831
00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:17,639
that was bad what's that Bigfoot well

832
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:19,800
she has Sasquatch on the property as

833
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:22,919
well but no she has dogmen also that

834
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:25,260
have tried to lure her outside some

835
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,179
Sasquatch have tried to lure out also

836
00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:30,419
but the big problem is the dogmen that

837
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:32,820
have tried to get her to come out in the

838
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:34,260
middle of the night

839
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:37,619
so yeah her daughter's obviously very

840
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,240
intelligent very precocious so even at

841
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:44,339
her young age she knew not to go outside

842
00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:47,159
but yeah it's still a very unnerving

843
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,780
situation when you know you've got this

844
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:51,359
little kid living in your home your

845
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:54,060
daughter and you're terrified that

846
00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:57,420
maybe one bad decision might wind up

847
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,160
causing her to go out there at three in

848
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:01,920
the morning with these things so yeah

849
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:05,960
that's basically the gist of of

850
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:08,760
what Robin has come on all those times

851
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,640
and talked about on the show the four

852
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,440
times that you mentioned but

853
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:16,560
yes just an amazing situation that she's

854
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:18,900
dealing with there but the front the

855
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:21,300
friendship that she spoke about with the

856
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,200
Bigfoot seemed uncanny to me among not

857
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,780
unheard of not unheard of but because

858
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:29,400
shoot I heard about I don't know which

859
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,380
one of y'all's show it was on the guy

860
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,119
from Arkansas who planted that garden

861
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,880
and found the Bigfoot there uh picking

862
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:37,740
vegetables in this garden and he kind of

863
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,540
put his hands to his heart and said it's

864
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:42,000
okay they were you know they're freaked

865
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,619
out when he caught them and then he

866
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:45,599
ended up planning a second Garden just

867
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:47,400
for them and they'd use one garden and

868
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:49,140
then he eats out of the other one so I

869
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,780
mean it's not unheard of but from what

870
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:53,400
she described on your show is a very

871
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,980
friendly relationship with the Bigfoot

872
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:57,839
where they would visit and come and slap

873
00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:00,359
the side of the house and she's you know

874
00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:01,980
just if you could go into that a little

875
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:05,420
bit because I think that's unique

876
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:07,320
well

877
00:36:15,609 --> 00:36:13,920
presence early on by loud slaps on the

878
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:15,619
side of the house like you mentioned

879
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,619
that weren't friendly hellos they were

880
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:21,599
destructive they actually damaged her

881
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:24,540
roof and they caused some other damage

882
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:26,820
but

883
00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:29,160
At first she was just terrified she took

884
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:31,079
steps to reinforce the house and try to

885
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:33,060
make it so they couldn't break in

886
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:34,920
because she had this idea that oh my God

887
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,119
they're gonna get me they're going to

888
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:38,640
get me and even one time when she was

889
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,520
gone they came into her house

890
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:43,619
and did something in the kitchen I think

891
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,160
it was but no after some period of time

892
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:49,560
she found out she could tell that okay

893
00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:51,180
yeah they might do this they might do

894
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,579
that but it's clear that they don't want

895
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,160
to harm us and they're just having fun

896
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,800
with us so that's when they both she and

897
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:01,260
her daughter reached out and they tried

898
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:05,839
to make it so that the Sasquatch

899
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:11,460
knew that she wasn't an enemy she she

900
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,380
was trying to get along with them and

901
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,660
make peace with them and after some

902
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,460
period of time

903
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:19,500
they had a they started to have a pretty

904
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:25,190
yeah that's uh that's what it sounded

905
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,960
like it talked about the uh the messing

906
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:30,420
with the the lip gloss or something I

907
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,760
can't remember how many things that they

908
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:34,560
would take stuff and put them back you

909
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:36,839
know from her house and they scared the

910
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:38,339
plumbers off when the plumbers were

911
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:40,680
really disrespectful to her and they did

912
00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:43,320
some infrasound business so I won't take

913
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:45,180
up all all the air time I've got a

914
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:46,500
little more on that but let me let me

915
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:48,599
pass it to money Nathan please

916
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,900
yeah Vic I wanted to ask you with your

917
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:53,880
depth of experience

918
00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:56,099
um I'd love your Insight because we we

919
00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:58,680
deal with a lot of claims and encounters

920
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,780
as well and I know you've as you said

921
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,880
you've heard of thousands of them what

922
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,280
what have you learned after hearing

923
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:07,680
those things the ones that you've done

924
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,660
podcasts with but also just collected

925
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:11,820
and people telling you things what have

926
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:13,560
you learned in terms of how to suss out

927
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:16,020
the difference between a genuine

928
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:18,119
experience versus someone that's kind of

929
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:20,220
out seeking attention or fabricating

930
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:27,470
well a lot of common sense goes into it

931
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,880
if you put yourself in a situation where

932
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:32,040
okay you've had an encounter with a dog

933
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,420
man with something that you didn't even

934
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,579
know existed you didn't even think could

935
00:38:39,069 --> 00:38:37,740
exist and then all of a sudden you have

936
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:39,079
this supposedly

937
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:41,579
nightmarish experience with this dog man

938
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:43,740
you find out there's a guy named Vic

939
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,880
condiff who specializes in helping dogma

940
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,680
and eyewitnesses come to terms with

941
00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:51,839
these guys he's spoken with thousands

942
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,060
upon thousands of dogmen eyewitnesses

943
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:56,400
about their experiences and from that

944
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:58,500
he's gleaned a lot of information about

945
00:39:01,870 --> 00:38:59,339
them

946
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,880
okay well you set a time

947
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:04,800
for Vic to call you

948
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:06,780
so you can have a good conversation it

949
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,460
makes it clear to you I'm looking

950
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:10,079
forward to talking with you so we can

951
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:11,700
have a good conversation about your

952
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:14,760
encounter or sometimes encounters

953
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:17,700
and so that you know I'm pretty darn

954
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:19,619
sure after that conversation you're

955
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:21,720
going to feel much better about your

956
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,820
experience this experience that you told

957
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:25,619
me in your report that you submitted on

958
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,740
the website that it's just turned your

959
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:30,480
world upside down

960
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:32,940
okay well the time comes for you to talk

961
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:35,520
with that eyewitness you call they don't

962
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:36,599
answer

963
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:39,180
you send them text messages no response

964
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:41,400
and then maybe a week later they tell

965
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,480
you that they forgot about the

966
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,880
conversation oh that's right we have

967
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:47,040
that conversation scheduled now you tell

968
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:48,660
me if you had an experience if you

969
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,040
really would have had an experience like

970
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:52,079
that what are the odds that you're going

971
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:54,180
to forget about this conversation where

972
00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:55,320
you might be able to get all these

973
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:58,380
answers another way to frame it is this

974
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,359
was years ago I had a guy on my Facebook

975
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:02,520
page that brought a lot of attention to

976
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:05,400
hey everybody my son just had a Dogman

977
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,359
encounter I forgot where it was but he

978
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:11,280
just brought a lot of attention to it

979
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,220
and he said I'm gonna see if my son will

980
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:16,260
reach out to vix and talk with Vic about

981
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,079
his experience and when I caught wind of

982
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,420
that I said sure yeah I'd be more than

983
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,040
happy to talk with your son and

984
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:25,320
basically put the things in place where

985
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:27,480
I could actually call a son and when I

986
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,460
called his son his son acted like I was

987
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,980
wasting his time and couldn't get off

988
00:40:36,589 --> 00:40:33,780
the phone quick enough and I'm thinking

989
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:36,599
well your dad seems nice enough but

990
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,260
you're a liar you didn't have any Dogman

991
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,359
encounter if you would have had a Dogman

992
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:44,579
encounter you've got a guy on the phone

993
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,140
who could answer quite a few questions

994
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:48,240
for you about this thing that you saw he

995
00:40:52,609 --> 00:40:50,579
lives out on this Farm you've got a guy

996
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:52,619
who can answer quite a few questions for

997
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:54,180
you about this thing that's not supposed

998
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,420
to be there that's so terrifying and and

999
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:59,520
whatnot it could possibly harm your

1000
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,320
animals and you don't even have any

1001
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:03,599
questions for me you don't even want to

1002
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:04,920
talk about it

1003
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:06,900
I mean you act like I'm wasting your

1004
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,780
time there's no point in this you didn't

1005
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,520
have that experience

1006
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:13,680
I mean who in their right mind in that

1007
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:16,020
circumstance is going to try to get at

1008
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:18,780
least some information about this thing

1009
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:21,300
that walked right up to them on the farm

1010
00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:25,380
so yeah just common sense now let me

1011
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:27,060
qualify that there are people who just

1012
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:28,500
they don't want to talk about it because

1013
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:30,780
they're too terrified and that's totally

1014
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:33,960
understandable but how it's presented to

1015
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:36,180
you like yeah you're wasting my time

1016
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:39,839
versus I I just don't feel comfortable

1017
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,940
enough about this to talk about it I

1018
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:43,680
have all these nightmares and I think

1019
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:45,660
talking about it's gonna make the

1020
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,599
nightmares worse is how it's framed but

1021
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:50,400
when they frame it like you're wasting

1022
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:53,700
their time then yeah it's pretty obvious

1023
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,000
that No One's Gonna respond that way

1024
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:59,040
for sure well I wonder if you could

1025
00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:00,540
speak a little bit too this may be a

1026
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:02,220
little harder because you've heard a lot

1027
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:03,780
of encounters and you've obviously

1028
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:05,880
identified a lot of commonalities in

1029
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:08,520
these experiences have you heard an

1030
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:11,700
experience that had some elements to it

1031
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,180
that weren't common but felt genuine to

1032
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:17,760
you and what were those elements

1033
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:21,300
oh sure yeah tons of times

1034
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:23,940
I use certain vetting questions

1035
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:26,820
to vet people who have

1036
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,880
encounters with certain qualities to it

1037
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:32,400
if someone saw a dog man from say 100

1038
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:36,180
feet away or 200 feet away or further

1039
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:37,859
there's really not that much you can do

1040
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,200
to vet that person

1041
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:42,960
to know if they are blowing smoke or if

1042
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:44,700
they're telling the truth but if you

1043
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:46,980
have someone like

1044
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:50,220
Michael Lawrence from Episode 34 where

1045
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:52,500
Michael talked about this juvenile dog

1046
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,359
man that came into his tent one night

1047
00:42:58,609 --> 00:42:56,520
when he was camped out with his boy

1048
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,619
scout troop in the Anza Borrego Desert

1049
00:43:02,809 --> 00:43:00,720
in California when he was a kid he

1050
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:02,819
talked about this juvenile dog man that

1051
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:05,700
unzipped his tent came into his tent sat

1052
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,520
on his legs licked his face while it's

1053
00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:11,280
seemingly its mother it was a huge dog

1054
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,859
man well not huge as far as Dogman go

1055
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:16,079
but this one I think was I think maybe

1056
00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:17,880
eight feet tall or something like that

1057
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:21,060
it was towering over his tent looking

1058
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,359
down through the vented hem but all the

1059
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,400
while the juvenile Dogma was doing this

1060
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:27,599
to him but

1061
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:31,319
when you have someone contact you and

1062
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:33,720
tell you about such an unusual such an

1063
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,700
extreme experience

1064
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:37,560
when I read that report that he

1065
00:43:41,569 --> 00:43:39,180
submitted I thought okay yeah I

1066
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,579
definitely need to vet this guy so when

1067
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:43,440
I got him on the phone we scheduled a

1068
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:45,540
conversation once I got him on the phone

1069
00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:47,880
I just broke the eyes we had a little

1070
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,560
bit of small talk and then when we got

1071
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:51,900
down to brass tacks

1072
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:54,540
I started lobbying vetting questions at

1073
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:56,579
him that only someone who was that close

1074
00:44:02,930 --> 00:43:59,700
to a genuine Bonafide dog man would know

1075
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,940
the answers to and instantly he was

1076
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,040
throwing the right answers back

1077
00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:08,880
I mean if I asked DJ

1078
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:12,839
who the coach of the uh uh who's the

1079
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:15,960
coach of the Cowboys is or or who owns

1080
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,180
the Cowboys or whatever team I mean just

1081
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,980
a very common question that everyone

1082
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,599
knows the answer to or most people would

1083
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,760
know the answer to It's a situation like

1084
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:25,980
that Michael Lawrence was just firing

1085
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:29,220
the answers back wow that's impressive

1086
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:30,660
okay well if that's the case how about

1087
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:33,720
this instantly the answer came back I

1088
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:34,920
thought you know what this is the real

1089
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,140
deal here this guy really had that

1090
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:39,420
experience and then after that episode

1091
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,700
aired I had tons of messages coming in

1092
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:44,339
from people poo pooing him and talking

1093
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:46,380
about how he was just full of it that

1094
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,359
never happened and I'm laughing at them

1095
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:50,460
because yeah you don't know what you're

1096
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:52,980
talking about he really did have that

1097
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:56,640
experience but yeah I mean the

1098
00:45:02,329 --> 00:44:59,940
encounters that come in are so varied I

1099
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:02,339
can't really necessarily answer your

1100
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:04,740
question properly by laying out too many

1101
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,560
examples but there are ways that you can

1102
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,140
use vetting questions like that to make

1103
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,480
sure that the person is

1104
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:14,460
actually telling the truth about their

1105
00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:17,880
encounter if it did happen at extremely

1106
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,460
close ranges like that and there are

1107
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:22,079
certain other things you can do too to

1108
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:23,339
try and weed out the people who are

1109
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:25,500
trying to lie their way onto the show

1110
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:27,780
which yeah that does happen all too

1111
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:30,720
often tons of people try to lie the way

1112
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,060
onto the show

1113
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:35,460
um no that's right I I was going to say

1114
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,319
I think people wish they didn't know who

1115
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:39,660
the Cowboys coach was Mike McCarthy

1116
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,300
because I because uh the fact that he's

1117
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,680
decided I'm going to take over play

1118
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:45,359
calling duties I don't think that

1119
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,859
Cowboys fans are going to be really

1120
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,480
heartened by that I think they wish

1121
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,400
there was a new coach that were that

1122
00:45:54,270 --> 00:45:52,800
were on the way uh anyway I was gonna

1123
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,280
say the Cowboys don't have a coach

1124
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,119
[Laughter]

1125
00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,940
he was such a poor choice and uh but you

1126
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:01,619
know Jerry Jerry Jones hates to admit

1127
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:03,720
he's wrong so uh by the way let me just

1128
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:05,460
let me just Nathan let me do this real

1129
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:07,319
quick let me shout out Victor win

1130
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:10,619
benyama the seven foot five uh 19 year

1131
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:13,140
old Frenchman who will be the first pick

1132
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:15,000
in the NBA draft the lotteries last

1133
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:18,540
night and and uh uh congratulations to

1134
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,040
you Victor we can't wait to see you in

1135
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:22,800
the NBA uh anyway

1136
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:24,180
um let's go with Leah prime time because

1137
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:25,560
she has to get out of here and go to

1138
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,200
another show so

1139
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,720
and it was talking about how it's a

1140
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:32,400
totally common knowledge everybody knows

1141
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:34,140
who the Cowboys coach is I was like

1142
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:36,119
getting that creeping tight feeling in

1143
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,839
my chest and thinking oh man I have like

1144
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:41,760
a brain the size of a walnut rattling

1145
00:46:46,450 --> 00:46:43,740
around in a wooden Bowl I have no idea

1146
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:46,460
who these people are

1147
00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:49,920
but authors Leah you know them all oh

1148
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:51,800
yeah yeah

1149
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:54,119
I'm a librarian

1150
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:56,220
um yeah so yeah one of the questions uh

1151
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:57,420
this is sort of one of my favorite

1152
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,339
questions to always ask Vic especially

1153
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,440
for people that have a lifetime interest

1154
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:03,540
in these kinds of subjects I'm always

1155
00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:05,160
curious about how views and

1156
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,780
understandings of this subject have

1157
00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:08,579
changed over time

1158
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:09,780
um so if you could talk just a little

1159
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,300
bit about either opinions you've held

1160
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:14,160
that may have changed

1161
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:16,140
um or ideas or theories that have

1162
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,180
evolved as you've gotten deeper into the

1163
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,119
subject I'd love to hear them

1164
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:23,339
well when I first started out doing this

1165
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:25,380
I was convinced these guys had to be

1166
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,060
Flesh and Blood creatures and that's all

1167
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,880
there was to it no extra abilities or

1168
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:31,920
anything like that that a bear wouldn't

1169
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:35,579
have but As Time Goes By the Waters tend

1170
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:37,740
to muddy a little bit you can only talk

1171
00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:40,200
with so many credible eyewitnesses who

1172
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:42,359
talk about seeing

1173
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:46,500
this dog man do this or do that that a

1174
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:49,460
flesh and blood creature could not do

1175
00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:52,619
and after you hear that from so many

1176
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,060
credible eyewitnesses who they report

1177
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,260
all these things happening in their

1178
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:00,240
encounters on the report the ones that

1179
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,460
really write out the extensive reports

1180
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:04,740
about their experiences and then when

1181
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,180
they talk with you everything that they

1182
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:08,880
tell you matches what they put on paper

1183
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,619
when they reported their experience

1184
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:12,780
every time you talk with them their

1185
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:15,180
story never changes the way they deliver

1186
00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:17,819
it it sounds totally genuine

1187
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:21,660
bona fide very credible eyewitnesses you

1188
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:23,400
can only talk with so many people like

1189
00:48:28,089 --> 00:48:25,800
that who report seeing things that a

1190
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:28,099
flesh and blood creature could not do

1191
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:33,599
and have that mindset so now having said

1192
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:37,079
that am I saying that all dogmen are

1193
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,540
ethereal beings no I'm not saying that

1194
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:41,940
because right why wouldn't ethereal

1195
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:44,700
being drink nasty stagnant water out of

1196
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,339
a a moss-covered pond why would an

1197
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:50,220
ethereal being why would it be fetid

1198
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:51,720
Roadkill

1199
00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:54,300
but on the other hand

1200
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:56,579
maybe we're looking at a situation where

1201
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:58,740
some dogmen are from The Ether and other

1202
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:00,660
dog men are Flesh and Blood I don't know

1203
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:03,480
what the story is on that I mean we do

1204
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:06,119
have the technology now to Gene splice

1205
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:07,859
and do things like that maybe some

1206
00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:11,339
dogmen are are created in a test tube

1207
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:14,099
While others are from The Ether I don't

1208
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:15,960
know I don't know what the answer is to

1209
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:18,540
that but this whole thing is so much

1210
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:20,339
deeper than I thought it was at first

1211
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:22,859
glance when I got into this and I spoke

1212
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,680
with that eyewitness in 2007 for example

1213
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,319
and I meant to bring attention to the

1214
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,000
fact that I forgot who that eyewitness

1215
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:33,119
was it's been so long since I spoke with

1216
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:36,839
him but whoever he is I do know that he

1217
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:39,480
knows Matt and Matt's spoken with him I

1218
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:41,099
wish I could remember what his name was

1219
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:43,500
but yeah this eyewitness he actually had

1220
00:49:47,650 --> 00:49:45,000
spoken with Martin

1221
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,660
I think you might know Matt

1222
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,400
and y'all are like original gangsters

1223
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,619
man you got the Skull and Bones ring for

1224
00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:54,480
Bigfoot and all that stuff man you and

1225
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:55,339
Matt

1226
00:49:59,809 --> 00:49:58,560
incredible I don't know about that I

1227
00:50:03,109 --> 00:49:59,819
will tell you that guys that

1228
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,119
eyewitnesses encounter it was a really

1229
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,000
frightening encounter holy cow

1230
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,460
yeah that's one of the things I was at

1231
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:10,079
prime time I don't want to hold you up

1232
00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:11,940
do you got to bounce at this point are

1233
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:14,339
you good no I have to I have to dip Vic

1234
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:15,960
this was a pleasure thank you so much I

1235
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:17,400
can't wait to listen to the back half of

1236
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:18,660
the episode

1237
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:20,819
oh you know you're welcome thanks for

1238
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:23,220
having me of course have a nice night uh

1239
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:25,079
cheers see you later have fun tonight

1240
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,180
buddy

1241
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,040
um yeah I was kind of well actually I

1242
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,720
don't want to I don't want to take time

1243
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:32,880
because uh Debs in matter next so I'll

1244
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,480
save mine uh go for it Debs yeah so

1245
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:38,280
unfortunately I missed a little bit of

1246
00:50:42,829 --> 00:50:40,380
Leah so hopefully this doesn't touch on

1247
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:42,839
it too much but I'm also interested in

1248
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,480
the history of this um I saw that you

1249
00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:47,520
had mentioned at some point that this

1250
00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:51,059
has been going on for probably centuries

1251
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:53,220
um and I have recently

1252
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:55,800
um learned a little bit about ogres and

1253
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,480
trolls and I found there's a lot of

1254
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,000
parallels between what's going on with

1255
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:02,640
dog man and Sasquatch and what happened

1256
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:06,000
previously in literature regarding ogres

1257
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:08,819
and trolls including that habituation

1258
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:13,200
that territorial takeover or terrifying

1259
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:14,700
humans

1260
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,200
um so I just wanted to know what your

1261
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,240
thoughts were on that

1262
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:20,640
oh my goodness definitely already asked

1263
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:27,170
I'm just kidding

1264
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:29,700
wow yeah in a lot of ways I guess you

1265
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:32,220
could draw comparisons between dogmen

1266
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,160
and trolls ogres anything like that if

1267
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:37,079
they actually do exist

1268
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:38,760
in that

1269
00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:42,319
they're purported to almost live for

1270
00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:44,700
terrifying people at every opportunity

1271
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:47,339
with these guys I mean

1272
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,319
they do have other things to do they

1273
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,119
have to feed themselves apparently and

1274
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:53,760
do other things but they do seem to take

1275
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:57,660
a lot of joy and terrifying people but

1276
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:59,819
when you look at how many dogmen must be

1277
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,020
out there compared to how many

1278
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,599
encounters seem to happen

1279
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,040
it would seem that there are a lot of

1280
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,500
dogmen that don't go out of their way to

1281
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,599
force encounters to happen they just do

1282
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,520
their own thing and they don't bother

1283
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,960
people so

1284
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:15,119
it's really hard to get a beat on these

1285
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,980
guys I mean it might be a small

1286
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:19,440
percentage of these guys who actually do

1287
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:22,020
seek out encounters with people we just

1288
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,520
don't know there's so many things about

1289
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:25,440
them that we just don't know and we're

1290
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:28,200
never gonna know but yeah it is fair to

1291
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,540
draw comparisons between them and the

1292
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:33,599
way ogres and trolls are supposed to be

1293
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:37,260
if they actually ever did exist

1294
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:39,420
yeah it's interesting that there's more

1295
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:41,880
mystery around dot if there's not enough

1296
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:44,339
mystery already around bigfoots there's

1297
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,940
even more mystery about Dogman uh I just

1298
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:50,640
want to say in the chat I uh uh Jules

1299
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:53,400
had asked if there was activity prior to

1300
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,980
Robin moving in there uh was there

1301
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:57,780
activity on the property with her family

1302
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:01,920
and I'm I remember that uh you uh uh you

1303
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:03,720
she had talked about that that she was

1304
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,579
angry that her mom knew that there was

1305
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:07,440
activity on the property before they

1306
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:09,900
moved in uh at least Bigfoot activity if

1307
00:53:13,849 --> 00:53:12,359
I remember that episode correctly so

1308
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:13,859
anyway

1309
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:20,270
um have you done any uh looking into

1310
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:22,980
research whatever you want to call it uh

1311
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,079
in the historical references to

1312
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:27,839
dog-headed humans

1313
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:32,520
like sinencephali yeah is do you think

1314
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,680
that's the same thing as what we're

1315
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:37,440
talking about in terms of dogmen

1316
00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:42,240
no no I don't well there's certain looks

1317
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,579
that dogmen have I mean you've got what

1318
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:46,859
I call the canine type they'd have

1319
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:49,260
digital grade style legs where they walk

1320
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:51,660
on their toes way a dog or a cat or

1321
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:53,940
horse would then they have another type

1322
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:56,940
that some people call type 3 Dog men

1323
00:54:02,089 --> 00:53:59,640
there is a lot of controversy around

1324
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:02,099
this whole type 3 thing some people

1325
00:54:07,309 --> 00:54:04,859
insist that they're not canads which I

1326
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:07,319
totally agree because type threes have

1327
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,440
hominid style legs not legs like a dog

1328
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,960
so they can't be members of the canid

1329
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:15,359
family but

1330
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,720
a lot of people if you see the the

1331
00:54:23,809 --> 00:54:21,359
Appalachian dog man that's what they

1332
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:23,819
think of a type three not something with

1333
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:26,460
digitigrade style legs so it's just

1334
00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:29,460
tomato tomato what you call this what

1335
00:54:33,790 --> 00:54:31,859
they call that that's really what it is

1336
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:33,800
when it boils down to it but the

1337
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:37,619
sinusyphili to get to your question they

1338
00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:40,920
were reported to have heads of canids

1339
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,099
but bodies like men they had hominid

1340
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:46,440
style legs and I'm not sure how

1341
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,540
human-like their bodies were supposed to

1342
00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:49,920
be but

1343
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:52,619
from the way I've heard them described

1344
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:55,740
it sounds like it's a situation where

1345
00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:57,420
you could almost take the head off of a

1346
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:00,300
wolf or head off of a big dog and slap

1347
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:02,940
it onto a man's body and that's what

1348
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:05,339
they were supposed to look like but no I

1349
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,980
haven't put too much work into that I

1350
00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:10,079
don't study dogmen a lot of people think

1351
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:13,319
that I'm a Dogman researcher I'm not I

1352
00:55:18,589 --> 00:55:15,720
know a lot about dogmen because

1353
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:18,599
of doing this for so long and this

1354
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:21,960
information has rubbed off on me but I

1355
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:24,119
don't actually sit down and study them

1356
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:26,099
now I focus on just helping the

1357
00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:27,660
eyewitnesses come to terms with their

1358
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:30,059
encounters and the information I glean

1359
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,460
from doing that that's why I know what I

1360
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,319
know about Dogma now

1361
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:37,260
I know you and I have spoken about uh

1362
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:38,520
some of the things that have been

1363
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:40,940
privately shared with you by different

1364
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:44,400
eyewitnesses but have you seen any

1365
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:47,220
photos or video out in the public World

1366
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,900
on YouTube or anything that you believe

1367
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:50,160
are authentic

1368
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,640
oh yeah oh yeah yeah I've seen tons of

1369
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:55,440
them too that were authentic but they

1370
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:57,780
were taken down almost right away I've

1371
00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:59,640
seen somewhere I think oh that picture

1372
00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:01,260
is not going to be around long and sure

1373
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,819
enough it wasn't

1374
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:05,040
understand I've been doing this for as

1375
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:07,500
long as I have been Matt because I know

1376
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,140
that there's a line and I also know that

1377
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:12,660
it's not wise for me to try to cross

1378
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:15,720
that line I don't even get too close to

1379
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,819
the line there have been people ever

1380
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:19,440
since I started this who have come and

1381
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:21,300
gone because they didn't either

1382
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:22,980
understand that there is a line there

1383
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:25,380
that's not to be crossed or they did

1384
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:27,420
understand that and unfortunately

1385
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:29,940
decided to cross it and now they're not

1386
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,599
around what's the line well the line is

1387
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:35,520
the government does not want these

1388
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:37,619
things to be proven to be in existence

1389
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:40,500
officially and if you start putting

1390
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,300
pictures and evidence out there that's

1391
00:56:46,790 --> 00:56:44,880
above a certain quality

1392
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,800
that's when they have trouble with it

1393
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:48,960
you can post pictures until you're blue

1394
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,380
in the face that are below a certain

1395
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:55,440
quality and they don't care they don't

1396
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:58,020
care at all but if it's above a certain

1397
00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:01,079
quality then they do have problems with

1398
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:03,740
that so yeah if you make a habit out of

1399
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:06,300
putting evidence out there that's a

1400
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,579
little too good that's when you have

1401
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,079
trouble that's when you have people who

1402
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:12,240
just disappear hey where did so and so

1403
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,220
go I don't know I haven't heard about

1404
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,280
him and heard anything from him his show

1405
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,880
stopped and I don't know so yeah that's

1406
00:57:24,890 --> 00:57:22,680
why I've been around so long because I

1407
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,900
know about the line and I refuse to

1408
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,119
cross it or even get too close to it but

1409
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,559
yeah I've seen evidence I've had

1410
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:30,240
evidence that's been sheer with me

1411
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:33,780
that's just amazing I mean

1412
00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:36,900
just blow your socks off amazing

1413
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:39,000
that was my next question so you already

1414
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,920
I was going to say because I know Matt

1415
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,720
knows but for the benefit of myself and

1416
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:44,880
Nathan and Debs I assume people have

1417
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:48,000
shared with you uh photos or video that

1418
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:50,339
had a high quality resolution that you

1419
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:52,500
could definitely see what it was oh

1420
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,319
definitely there are so many foolish

1421
00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:58,319
comments that I see about these guys and

1422
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:00,540
one of the most foolish ones I see all

1423
00:58:05,450 --> 00:58:03,180
the time is Skeptics saying well yeah

1424
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:05,460
dogmen don't exist because if they did

1425
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,520
there'd be very impressive evidence out

1426
00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:11,040
there supporting their existence well

1427
00:58:14,510 --> 00:58:12,780
just because you haven't seen that

1428
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,520
evidence does that mean that it's not

1429
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,599
out there

1430
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:18,000
yeah far from it you want to talk about

1431
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:22,500
a myopic point of view holy cow yeah

1432
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:25,140
there is very impressive evidence out

1433
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:27,540
there it's not available in most cases

1434
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:30,960
for the general public to to look at but

1435
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,940
it's definitely out there it's been

1436
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:35,040
shared with me the most impressive

1437
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,020
evidence that's been shared with me was

1438
00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:40,319
taken some time well it's been about

1439
00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:42,299
seven eight years since this gentleman

1440
00:58:46,849 --> 00:58:43,859
sent it to me but

1441
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:46,859
the gist of it is either he or a friend

1442
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,740
of his found out that a dog man or dog

1443
00:58:54,049 --> 00:58:52,079
men were hanging out in this particular

1444
00:58:58,430 --> 00:58:54,059
area in the foothills of the Sierra

1445
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:58,440
Nevada mountains and they decided to

1446
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,020
take a more expensive game cam you know

1447
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:03,720
how the more expensive ones you don't

1448
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,460
only have the option to set them up to

1449
00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:07,440
Snap photos when they detect motion you

1450
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:09,420
can also set them to film when they

1451
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:11,099
detect motion well that's what these

1452
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:14,040
guys did either he or a friend did I

1453
00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:18,480
should say they set the cam to film when

1454
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,299
it detected Motion in either I guess

1455
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,760
maybe that afternoon or a day or two

1456
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:26,160
after they strapped it to a tree it's

1457
00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:27,720
been so long I can't remember but

1458
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,900
nonetheless in broad daylight it looked

1459
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,220
like it was a bright sunny day

1460
00:59:37,309 --> 00:59:34,640
mid-afternoon you could see everything

1461
00:59:40,609 --> 00:59:37,319
this dog man comes walking in the view

1462
00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:40,619
from left to right and they hung some

1463
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:42,660
bait on a branch about five feet away

1464
00:59:47,089 --> 00:59:44,819
from the camera lens while it was moving

1465
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:47,099
between the bait in the camera lens

1466
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:50,579
again broad daylight moving from left to

1467
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:53,220
right I could see everything I could see

1468
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:54,900
its front when they came into view and

1469
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:56,940
then once it got directly between that

1470
01:00:02,450 --> 00:59:59,700
camera lens and the bait on the branch

1471
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:02,460
it turns us back to the camera and it

1472
01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:04,740
goes for the the bait there but it was

1473
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:06,680
kind of like a

1474
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:13,680
Timber Wolf is she some hairs were some

1475
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:16,920
hairs were maybe deep down grayish and

1476
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:19,500
then maybe blackish and then would kind

1477
01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:22,799
of like transition into like a uh a

1478
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,780
cocoa-ish color towards the tips and all

1479
01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:26,940
kind of like a multi-color look like

1480
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:29,940
that but I was so blown away by the the

1481
01:00:34,010 --> 01:00:32,700
film I contacted the gentleman who sent

1482
01:00:36,730 --> 01:00:34,020
it to me and I said hey there's a

1483
01:00:40,690 --> 01:00:36,740
gentleman that I know who

1484
01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:40,700
analyzes Sasquatch footage in evidence

1485
01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:44,040
and I'm wondering if you would mind I

1486
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,240
didn't think he was going to go for this

1487
01:00:49,069 --> 01:00:47,280
but I asked him I said I wonder if you

1488
01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:49,079
would mind if I shared this video with

1489
01:00:54,049 --> 01:00:51,960
him so he could give me a second opinion

1490
01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:54,059
on this tell me what he thinks about it

1491
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:56,520
and he said Yeah by all means send it to

1492
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,920
him he had sent me a private link to

1493
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,960
this video that was on YouTube you had

1494
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,400
to have that private link to be able to

1495
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:04,559
view it so I sent that link the private

1496
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:06,180
link to this gentleman

1497
01:01:13,309 --> 01:01:09,960
his name is Richard Eady yeah Richard

1498
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:13,319
Edie was I think he was on episode

1499
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,960
six maybe of dogs and encounter seals on

1500
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:17,520
one of the very very early episodes

1501
01:01:23,569 --> 01:01:20,220
where he talked about analyzing all this

1502
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,579
evidence I sent that link to Richard and

1503
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:25,200
I said hey Richard I told him the whole

1504
01:01:28,849 --> 01:01:27,000
story I'd love to know what you think

1505
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:28,859
about this video

1506
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,780
all the while thinking I can't see how

1507
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,280
you're not going to be blown away by it

1508
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:34,799
and sure enough you was yeah it just

1509
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:36,900
blew his socks off too so we talked

1510
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:39,180
about it and everything and we noticed a

1511
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:40,740
couple of things that that guy hadn't

1512
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:42,780
even noticed about the the film footage

1513
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,960
but yeah I guess I took the long way

1514
01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:48,000
around the barn to say that yeah there

1515
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:49,799
is amazing evidence out there about

1516
01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:52,020
these guys just because the general

1517
01:01:56,750 --> 01:01:54,420
Public's not privy to it then yeah that

1518
01:01:58,670 --> 01:01:56,760
doesn't mean that that these guys aren't

1519
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,680
really out there

1520
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,720
you know In fairness that dog man could

1521
01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:02,880
have just come from the salon could have

1522
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:03,960
like you know been trying to choose

1523
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:05,940
between different hair colors and been

1524
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:07,740
like you know what just just make it

1525
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:09,960
multi-color a lot of guys in the NBA are

1526
01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:11,640
doing that these days it's not totally

1527
01:02:17,170 --> 01:02:13,619
out of character for Northern California

1528
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:17,180
I would say spice it up so yeah I'd say

1529
01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:20,040
Vic so you've been so dot I mean are we

1530
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,480
gonna get any Sasquatch out of you

1531
01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:23,520
tonight Vic you've been very dog man

1532
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:25,260
Centric

1533
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:28,020
I will by all means yeah you name the

1534
01:02:32,809 --> 01:02:30,540
Sasquatch topic and yeah well talk about

1535
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:32,819
it yeah I mean

1536
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,680
um I I we need to get into the round

1537
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,960
table uh here here

1538
01:02:41,809 --> 01:02:38,880
um quickly you know we'll throw our our

1539
01:02:43,789 --> 01:02:41,819
topics out there but I was curious uh if

1540
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,799
have you have people sent you any you

1541
01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:45,839
know interesting Sasquatch videos that

1542
01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:47,819
are of that quality that you know you're

1543
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,980
just not at Liberty to share but that

1544
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:51,839
you you know that you could uh tell us

1545
01:02:54,589 --> 01:02:52,680
about

1546
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:54,599
well people have sent me impressive

1547
01:02:57,289 --> 01:02:56,460
evidence about Sasquatch but nothing

1548
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,299
like

1549
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,280
what people have sent me about dog men

1550
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,680
so but then again you know there are so

1551
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,359
many people out there who have been

1552
01:03:08,089 --> 01:03:05,520
burned by putting evidence out there

1553
01:03:10,510 --> 01:03:08,099
that this photo that they took that

1554
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:10,520
footage that they took and then people

1555
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:15,000
ridicule the footage the film they talk

1556
01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:18,660
about blob swatches and they say that

1557
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:21,000
it's fake well yeah why would a lot of

1558
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:22,799
these people have Bigfoot evidence want

1559
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:24,900
to come forward with it the impressive

1560
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:27,299
evidence so yeah it's not as common as

1561
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:30,420
on the dog man's side but I have gotten

1562
01:03:35,150 --> 01:03:33,000
pretty impressive evidence

1563
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:35,160
and by the way so you see the fire below

1564
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,500
you Vic if you've brought any s'mores

1565
01:03:42,530 --> 01:03:39,839
any graham crackers Hershey's chocolate

1566
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:42,540
feel free to just dangle over the fire

1567
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:44,460
just make sure you share with us

1568
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:47,040
okay

1569
01:03:52,010 --> 01:03:50,520
I mean Nathan I mean he comes prepared

1570
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:52,020
for all these outings you know what I

1571
01:03:55,069 --> 01:03:53,880
mean he always has the fire going he

1572
01:03:57,049 --> 01:03:55,079
never doesn't worry that's the

1573
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:57,059
marshmallow right I don't have to go get

1574
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,740
kindling I don't have to do any of that

1575
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:00,000
stuff man I don't have to get my light

1576
01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:03,720
or not so anyway it was a perfect night

1577
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:05,400
my mom always taught me that if you play

1578
01:04:13,069 --> 01:04:07,260
with fire then you're gonna pee the bed

1579
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:15,170
um all right so let's see do you want to

1580
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:17,160
uh get into the round table now Nathan

1581
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:19,680
he's good yeah let's do it okay Vic

1582
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:21,420
would you like to throw your topic out

1583
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,220
there first would you rather be last how

1584
01:04:26,450 --> 01:04:24,960
would you prefer to do this you are the

1585
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:26,460
guest of honor sir

1586
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:31,920
how about I go last okay okay all right

1587
01:04:37,309 --> 01:04:34,500
um I'll go I'll go first

1588
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,319
um so my question for the group is and

1589
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:39,599
uh I'll start off with Vic and then go

1590
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:42,720
Nathan Deb and Matt

1591
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,940
um so my question is

1592
01:04:49,549 --> 01:04:46,799
do you think

1593
01:04:52,210 --> 01:04:49,559
um Vic that there are communication

1594
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:52,220
between these Bigfoot

1595
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:54,900
tribes or families however we want to

1596
01:04:59,690 --> 01:04:55,920
call them

1597
01:05:02,329 --> 01:04:59,700
if so is there a consensus do you think

1598
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:02,339
on how to interact with Humanity do you

1599
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:03,660
think they're communicating with one

1600
01:05:10,190 --> 01:05:07,140
another and do you think that there's a

1601
01:05:11,930 --> 01:05:10,200
consensus on how they would interact

1602
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:11,940
with humanity and I say that because

1603
01:05:17,390 --> 01:05:15,000
there appears it you know there is so

1604
01:05:19,549 --> 01:05:17,400
much synthesis and uh or commonality in

1605
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:19,559
how they interact with us

1606
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:22,140
well in most cases it would appear that

1607
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,079
these two dogmen and Sasquatch mix like

1608
01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:27,119
water and oil but there are cases where

1609
01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:28,740
credible people have reported having

1610
01:05:34,849 --> 01:05:31,859
these two together on their property and

1611
01:05:37,370 --> 01:05:34,859
it's an ongoing thing it's not a once

1612
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:37,380
the Blue Moon type situation no it's an

1613
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:40,260
ongoing thing where yeah they see dogmen

1614
01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:42,180
next to Sasquatch and that's how it's

1615
01:05:47,809 --> 01:05:45,420
been for years so it happens but it

1616
01:05:50,750 --> 01:05:47,819
seems like it's an exception more so

1617
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:50,760
than the norm but

1618
01:05:54,410 --> 01:05:52,859
yeah as far as them being able to

1619
01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:54,420
communicate with each other I don't know

1620
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:56,099
how effective they are at doing that

1621
01:06:00,530 --> 01:05:57,900
other than just getting vague points

1622
01:06:02,569 --> 01:06:00,540
across I don't really know let me

1623
01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:02,579
clarify I'm in between big Bigfoot

1624
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:05,339
tribes and families I'd exclusive I I

1625
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,319
wasn't including dog man in that because

1626
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:08,880
that is interesting there are different

1627
01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:10,740
species certainly they wouldn't be able

1628
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:13,020
to communicate

1629
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:14,700
well

1630
01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:16,859
a lot of credible eyewitnesses have

1631
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:20,220
reported mind speak so so many

1632
01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:21,960
incredible people have reported that I

1633
01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:23,880
think it's kind of hard to to say that

1634
01:06:29,329 --> 01:06:27,780
it couldn't be a reality but yeah when

1635
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:29,339
there's been communication between

1636
01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:31,380
Sasquatch and people

1637
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:33,480
I don't know of any other situations

1638
01:06:39,289 --> 01:06:37,020
where it hasn't taken place via mind

1639
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,299
speak I don't know of any situations

1640
01:06:43,849 --> 01:06:42,000
where Sasquatch have used sign language

1641
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:43,859
or anything like that it's always been

1642
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:46,380
via mind speak so yeah apparently it

1643
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:49,200
does happen but in most cases obviously

1644
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:52,079
there is no mind speak once it'll do the

1645
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:53,359
Moon

1646
01:06:58,430 --> 01:06:55,980
let me rephrase the question

1647
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,440
do you think that Bigfoot groups are

1648
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:00,960
speaking with one another

1649
01:07:06,970 --> 01:07:05,220
oh yeah I do I do and also let me

1650
01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:06,980
qualify that there are a lot of people

1651
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:10,220
who seem to know a lot about these guys

1652
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:14,520
who claim that Sasquatch do speak

1653
01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:17,599
various languages like Native American

1654
01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:21,240
languages Cherokee had a gentleman on an

1655
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:24,119
episode of my Bigfoot sighting last week

1656
01:07:30,410 --> 01:07:27,960
Rick who talked about how he thinks the

1657
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:30,420
Sasquatch can speak Cherokee in certain

1658
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:34,559
areas where Cherokee used to live but in

1659
01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:37,200
big numbers but yeah I think there's

1660
01:07:42,109 --> 01:07:38,760
something to that

1661
01:07:44,750 --> 01:07:42,119
so maybe outside of Mind speak if you're

1662
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,760
talking about a situation like that then

1663
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:46,559
maybe that is the case where they can

1664
01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:49,920
communicate with people like that and I

1665
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:52,020
you interviewed Alex midnight Walker and

1666
01:07:57,230 --> 01:07:54,299
I think he said he was he heard elements

1667
01:07:59,930 --> 01:07:57,240
of Spanish didn't he I think he did I

1668
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,940
think you're right yeah yeah see see

1669
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:02,160
I've I've listened to all those I think

1670
01:08:08,029 --> 01:08:04,680
all your episodes brother

1671
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:08,039
thanks for listening Nathan do you do

1672
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:09,660
you think that these groups are

1673
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:11,940
communicating with one another and do

1674
01:08:17,150 --> 01:08:14,760
you think that maybe they've come to a

1675
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:17,160
consensus on you know hey this is how

1676
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:18,900
you deal with humans and granted that

1677
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:20,699
you know there are ones that are going

1678
01:08:24,169 --> 01:08:22,020
off the reservation because they're

1679
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:24,179
having regular contact at the back of

1680
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,219
people's properties but what's your

1681
01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:27,600
thought on that

1682
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:29,819
yeah it's a good question I I it almost

1683
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:33,000
seems as if they uh are content to

1684
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:35,100
largely live in the world that they have

1685
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:38,100
with uh as limited involvement and

1686
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,199
engagement with human beings as possible

1687
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:42,239
which is you know probably for their

1688
01:08:44,749 --> 01:08:43,980
their own benefit

1689
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:44,759
um

1690
01:08:49,309 --> 01:08:47,279
all right you know because it is it is

1691
01:08:51,890 --> 01:08:49,319
it fascinates me that they seem to be

1692
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,900
have some degree of intelligence right

1693
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:54,000
they have some uh higher order

1694
01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:56,279
intelligence than say I don't know a

1695
01:09:01,130 --> 01:08:58,980
bear would uh and so with that they have

1696
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,140
the capacity for culture and language

1697
01:09:05,050 --> 01:09:03,359
and things of that nature and it's

1698
01:09:08,030 --> 01:09:05,060
interesting that if they have those

1699
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,040
components that they're not uh willingly

1700
01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:10,080
at least seemingly not willingly trying

1701
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,080
to engage or partner with the other

1702
01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:15,960
intelligent species human beings that

1703
01:09:21,289 --> 01:09:18,179
kind of cross their paths there seems to

1704
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,299
be a very much an arms length stance to

1705
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:23,759
to to humans although we you know we

1706
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:24,719
like to think of ourselves as

1707
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:26,160
intelligent quite frankly maybe we

1708
01:09:31,729 --> 01:09:29,100
aren't relative to the way they've they

1709
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,739
might view us they might view us as uh I

1710
01:09:35,570 --> 01:09:33,359
don't know just more of a pest than

1711
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:35,580
anything else

1712
01:09:41,809 --> 01:09:39,060
noisy yeah just not really good at you

1713
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:41,819
know being at one with nature Etc

1714
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,880
yeah one thing that Vic says on his show

1715
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:47,040
that I love is when they end up coming

1716
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:49,440
up to people's trailer you know they'll

1717
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,480
come and and put their face up to the

1718
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:53,520
window or something like that is that

1719
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:55,020
hey they're bored out in the woods all

1720
01:09:58,669 --> 01:09:57,000
day what are they you know I want some

1721
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,679
entertainment I mean that totally makes

1722
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:01,199
sense to me uh

1723
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:04,500
uh Deb uh Debs so what do you think do

1724
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,060
you think that these groups are

1725
01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:08,400
communicating do you think they've sort

1726
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:11,940
of uh you know sort of like the Iroquois

1727
01:10:15,290 --> 01:10:13,800
had the Great Law of Peace and this sort

1728
01:10:16,850 --> 01:10:15,300
of thing do you think they've come to

1729
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:16,860
some consensus on how to deal with

1730
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:19,679
humans as well so my thought is I think

1731
01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:21,060
about what happened within the

1732
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:23,460
Neanderthals right and now granted this

1733
01:10:27,649 --> 01:10:25,199
is just theoretical because we were

1734
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:27,659
there but a lot of people think they

1735
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,060
might have died out or had smaller

1736
01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:32,880
subgroups because they didn't socialize

1737
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:36,380
in a vast large way and the reason we

1738
01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:39,000
prospered is because we did like we

1739
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:41,100
started really socializing and coming

1740
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:45,480
together so I think that they may in a

1741
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:47,580
limited way communicate like when they

1742
01:10:51,530 --> 01:10:49,140
run into each other but I don't think

1743
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,540
they're seeking each other out and I

1744
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,400
don't think they're necessarily coming

1745
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,440
up with great plans together otherwise

1746
01:10:59,930 --> 01:10:58,320
they would probably multiply and be a

1747
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,940
stronger Force

1748
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:02,400
so Bigfoot Viagra could be the answer

1749
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:04,140
like Dogman and the flea and tick

1750
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,140
preventative we get that along with the

1751
01:11:10,729 --> 01:11:09,420
organic apples and maybe they're you

1752
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:10,739
know they start to multiply the

1753
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,420
population growth you ever know where

1754
01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:15,360
they just chat even dolphins or you know

1755
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:17,640
even tall fans are known for

1756
01:11:23,930 --> 01:11:21,480
um their social skills being

1757
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:23,940
um selective like it helps them to

1758
01:11:28,430 --> 01:11:26,640
survive right so they that's how they

1759
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,440
keep the pot alive so if they're not

1760
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:30,480
really communicating that way at that

1761
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:31,980
level then they're going to stay in

1762
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:33,300
small groups

1763
01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:36,120
I want to say that hello blue Sasquatch

1764
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:39,780
welcome uh I want to say uh that I'm out

1765
01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:41,580
in the ocean swimming two three days a

1766
01:11:45,709 --> 01:11:44,040
week not a dolphin has come up to say

1767
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:45,719
hello to me I want you guys to know that

1768
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,900
not one I mean where the hell is flipper

1769
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:51,120
I'm friendly with animals Nathan what's

1770
01:11:54,890 --> 01:11:52,020
going on

1771
01:11:57,229 --> 01:11:54,900
it's troubling uh also I didn't think uh

1772
01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:57,239
I would hear Bigfoot Viagra on the show

1773
01:12:02,510 --> 01:12:00,360
that's not on my bingo card but I'm here

1774
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,520
for it so I was just like trying to

1775
01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:04,800
think wait if they're having if they

1776
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:06,540
have a declining birth rate is Dr

1777
01:12:11,630 --> 01:12:08,520
Michael Masters alludes to that we're

1778
01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:11,640
having you know I you know I just want

1779
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:13,140
to share this metric with you guys I

1780
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:14,880
think I I may have shared this on the

1781
01:12:21,229 --> 01:12:18,360
show my high school at the end of 85 had

1782
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:21,239
approximately 800 students uh the

1783
01:12:24,250 --> 01:12:22,800
current students there told us they're

1784
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,260
500 now

1785
01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:27,360
I and the high school is significantly

1786
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:29,460
more diverse than it was when I was

1787
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,080
there but I was just surprised by that

1788
01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:33,600
so maybe Dr Masters is on something I

1789
01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:35,880
don't know that birth rate statistics I

1790
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:39,060
need to go and search those out but uh

1791
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:41,880
um we'll have to uh connect you up with

1792
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:44,340
uh Dr Michael Masters who believe that

1793
01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:48,000
there is a possible future us Vic that

1794
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:51,300
is responsible for certain of the E.T

1795
01:12:56,570 --> 01:12:54,179
Grays that it is a future us coming back

1796
01:12:58,130 --> 01:12:56,580
to visit and he cites declining birth

1797
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:58,140
rates and the fact that they harvest

1798
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:01,920
biology from uh abductees and so forth

1799
01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:03,480
so

1800
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:06,540
um it's a fascinating hypothesis uh Matt

1801
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:08,100
uh what do you think are they

1802
01:13:12,169 --> 01:13:09,960
communicating

1803
01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:12,179
no DJ

1804
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:16,020
what okay so this is like a multi

1805
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:20,460
faceted answer uh okay are they let's

1806
01:13:26,270 --> 01:13:23,520
theorize for a second that uh at least

1807
01:13:28,490 --> 01:13:26,280
some of the limb formations attributed

1808
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:28,500
to Sasquatch are indeed being made by

1809
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:29,460
Sasquatch

1810
01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:33,420
I'm just going to use an X formation as

1811
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:36,120
an example sure you find those

1812
01:13:40,430 --> 01:13:37,560
everywhere

1813
01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:40,440
okay you find them in Oklahoma you find

1814
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:41,699
them in Texas you find them in

1815
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:42,480
California

1816
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:47,280
there's no Geographic specific uh

1817
01:13:52,130 --> 01:13:49,320
Factor whenever it comes to these limb

1818
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:52,140
formations so

1819
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:54,360
that would indicate that they have at

1820
01:13:58,030 --> 01:13:56,460
least warm one form of universal

1821
01:14:02,270 --> 01:13:58,040
language at that point

1822
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:02,280
even if it's just symbology okay that

1823
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:05,520
had to come from somewhere then if they

1824
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:08,880
can if they have their own language

1825
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,980
language has to be taught they had to

1826
01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:12,960
have learned it from somewhere it had to

1827
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:15,659
have been passed through the entire

1828
01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:19,199
Society of them if they have

1829
01:14:24,830 --> 01:14:22,440
figured out uh you know Vic was talking

1830
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,840
about them speaking Cherokee and Spanish

1831
01:14:28,669 --> 01:14:26,400
and all these different languages it's

1832
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:28,679
something that I have heard myself uh

1833
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:30,780
from different you know people in the

1834
01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:31,679
community

1835
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,380
if that is the case the question I have

1836
01:14:39,169 --> 01:14:36,960
always had is well who taught them

1837
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,179
Cherokee who sat down with them and

1838
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:41,760
taught them the entire language and then

1839
01:14:45,709 --> 01:14:43,500
they took that language and went back

1840
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:45,719
and spread it and memorized it and

1841
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:46,980
everything else

1842
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:49,020
if it is true that they have that

1843
01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:52,620
ability then that would uh persuade me

1844
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:54,060
more in the direction that they have

1845
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:55,679
psychic abilities and that it was

1846
01:14:59,209 --> 01:14:56,760
learned

1847
01:15:01,070 --> 01:14:59,219
uh psychically which would also

1848
01:15:03,229 --> 01:15:01,080
reinforce mind-speak abilities and if

1849
01:15:05,390 --> 01:15:03,239
they can speak telepathically then they

1850
01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:05,400
don't have to go anywhere to speak to

1851
01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:07,020
one another they can

1852
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:08,219
uh

1853
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,780
mine speak with one in Washington we

1854
01:15:15,729 --> 01:15:14,400
don't know

1855
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,739
um

1856
01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:17,760
I was gonna say the oral history

1857
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:19,500
suggests though that they had these

1858
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:22,440
meetings with the the various uh Native

1859
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:24,120
American tribes

1860
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:27,360
in some aspects not all tribes that

1861
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:30,719
that's only certain tribe specific

1862
01:15:34,189 --> 01:15:31,440
um

1863
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:34,199
but another thing to keep in mind is

1864
01:15:37,729 --> 01:15:36,179
Bears don't tell each other to stay away

1865
01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:37,739
from humans

1866
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,900
uh wolves don't tell each other to stay

1867
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:41,760
away from humans it's just natural

1868
01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:44,100
instinct so I think you'd have

1869
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:45,960
situations for sure where

1870
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,199
a mother and father parental unit the

1871
01:15:53,689 --> 01:15:51,360
the Elders of the group would teach the

1872
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,699
young to stay away from us and that

1873
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:55,679
would just be a continuing thing that

1874
01:15:59,390 --> 01:15:57,179
would be passed on and on and on

1875
01:16:01,850 --> 01:15:59,400
regardless of where they were and that

1876
01:16:05,209 --> 01:16:01,860
doesn't necessarily require any inner

1877
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:05,219
species communication with one another

1878
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:07,380
that that's a great Point that's your

1879
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:11,040
knowledge of of uh of animals is came

1880
01:16:14,990 --> 01:16:12,480
came into play there that's a great

1881
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:15,000
great way to look at it thanks a lot

1882
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,000
uh Vic uh actually you answered this

1883
01:16:22,430 --> 01:16:19,920
first so the next will be Nathan with

1884
01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:22,440
his topic

1885
01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:25,800
yeah so just a a quick answer I'd love

1886
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:29,699
to get everybody's take uh what

1887
01:16:35,570 --> 01:16:32,699
is your hope for a world that recognizes

1888
01:16:38,689 --> 01:16:35,580
the existence of of this

1889
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:38,699
uh reality in addition to some of the

1890
01:16:42,649 --> 01:16:40,620
other things that of course our show is

1891
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:42,659
interested in what

1892
01:16:47,330 --> 01:16:44,340
do you think that that's a better world

1893
01:16:50,990 --> 01:16:47,340
in general or that it's better that

1894
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:51,000
these Cryptids uh continue on with you

1895
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:53,219
know the ignorance of the larger human

1896
01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:54,540
population

1897
01:16:57,709 --> 01:16:56,100
so I'm gonna go to Deb with that first

1898
01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:57,719
yeah

1899
01:17:02,330 --> 01:16:59,820
I'm I'm trying to remember the name of

1900
01:17:05,209 --> 01:17:02,340
the show where they actually showed um

1901
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:05,219
not necessarily just Cryptids but they

1902
01:17:09,610 --> 01:17:07,560
showed an alien species that landed and

1903
01:17:12,770 --> 01:17:09,620
just kind of lived side by side with us

1904
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:12,780
and you know of course it took some time

1905
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:15,960
for everyone to adapt but eventually

1906
01:17:19,790 --> 01:17:18,000
people did and then there were benefits

1907
01:17:22,130 --> 01:17:19,800
to that interaction

1908
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,140
um I can't help but think that if we

1909
01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:25,440
were able to have that engagement we

1910
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,260
would learn the benefits also you know

1911
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,440
and if we could overcome fears

1912
01:17:35,930 --> 01:17:33,840
um and develop increased acceptance Not

1913
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:35,940
only would we you know probably develop

1914
01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:38,520
acceptance for other humans we would

1915
01:17:43,729 --> 01:17:40,440
just have a better acceptance of what

1916
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:43,739
our planet and reality actually are so

1917
01:17:48,770 --> 01:17:45,780
that's kind of part of my hope but you

1918
01:17:52,010 --> 01:17:48,780
know just that contact is the underlying

1919
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:52,020
hope you know just get it over with so

1920
01:17:57,169 --> 01:17:54,780
that people can move on and address and

1921
01:18:01,130 --> 01:17:57,179
and also you want Deb's day to daycare

1922
01:18:03,950 --> 01:18:01,140
right that's yeah yes and of course I

1923
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:03,960
will establish a daycare I will have to

1924
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:06,239
you know have someone provide a ranch I

1925
01:18:11,290 --> 01:18:07,380
think there's a ranch called like

1926
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:11,300
Skinwalker that might work it's not safe

1927
01:18:16,850 --> 01:18:14,100
I know you know Brandon field was cool

1928
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:16,860
he might help he might yeah or Vic may

1929
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,480
know a ranch that we can go to that's

1930
01:18:22,209 --> 01:18:20,040
considerably safer I don't know we'll

1931
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:22,219
have to

1932
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:24,480
uh all right we'll put it to Vic then so

1933
01:18:28,610 --> 01:18:26,460
Vic what uh what's your take then the

1934
01:18:31,310 --> 01:18:28,620
world uh a better place with the

1935
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,320
acknowledgment of this reality or better

1936
01:18:35,209 --> 01:18:33,360
to leave it as is

1937
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:35,219
well

1938
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:38,640
it's a double-edged sword if these guys

1939
01:18:43,310 --> 01:18:40,860
were officially acknowledged by the

1940
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:43,320
government to be in existence a lot of

1941
01:18:46,970 --> 01:18:44,520
people don't agree with this but I've

1942
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:46,980
got no doubts that our economy our way

1943
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:49,199
of life would just falter think about

1944
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:51,659
how many things that we rely upon on a

1945
01:18:59,090 --> 01:18:55,440
day-to-day basis that are harvested from

1946
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,100
the forest and if all of a sudden it was

1947
01:19:04,130 --> 01:19:01,440
lit out of the bag guess what you just

1948
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,140
might run into a something that looks

1949
01:19:09,169 --> 01:19:07,199
like a giant werewolf if you go into the

1950
01:19:11,450 --> 01:19:09,179
woods ever again because they're

1951
01:19:13,310 --> 01:19:11,460
definitely out there if that was led out

1952
01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:13,320
of the bag who's going to want to run a

1953
01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:16,380
noisy chainsaw 10 12 hours out of the

1954
01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:18,060
day where you can't see anything behind

1955
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:20,460
you you can't hear anything behind you

1956
01:19:25,729 --> 01:19:24,000
that's gonna cause a huge Exodus of not

1957
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:25,739
just workers but who's going to want to

1958
01:19:30,410 --> 01:19:28,739
live near a forest so yeah not only are

1959
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:30,420
we going to have all these issues

1960
01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:32,760
getting all these things we rely on

1961
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,580
daily

1962
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,199
we're going to have all these other

1963
01:19:42,890 --> 01:19:39,360
issues as well so yeah that would cause

1964
01:19:45,410 --> 01:19:42,900
our economy to falter almost overnight

1965
01:19:47,209 --> 01:19:45,420
so yeah that's why I've got no doubts

1966
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:47,219
the government will do anything it can

1967
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:49,920
to prevent their existence from being

1968
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:52,320
LED out of the bag and on top of that

1969
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:55,520
yeah you've got spotted owl type issues

1970
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,020
environmental issues on top of that but

1971
01:20:02,090 --> 01:20:00,239
the most important thing that that we

1972
01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:02,100
should be concerned with as far as

1973
01:20:08,090 --> 01:20:04,199
Fallout from that would be how it would

1974
01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:08,100
affect our day-to-day life not having

1975
01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:10,679
a reliable source of lumber for example

1976
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,800
to build homes buildings medicines a lot

1977
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,080
of medicines are harvested in the forest

1978
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:18,719
so yeah that's why I think the

1979
01:20:22,490 --> 01:20:20,880
government would be crazy to ever allow

1980
01:20:25,550 --> 01:20:22,500
this out of the bag but on the other

1981
01:20:28,729 --> 01:20:25,560
hand yeah if it was acknowledged that

1982
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:28,739
these guys are extant then yeah all

1983
01:20:33,050 --> 01:20:30,420
these eyewitnesses who have all these

1984
01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:33,060
encounters that are laughed at and

1985
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:35,699
ridiculed by family and friends that

1986
01:20:39,229 --> 01:20:37,260
would just go out the window and stop

1987
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,239
happening well of course I'm a fan of

1988
01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:41,280
that I hate the idea that they're

1989
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:43,860
persecuted the way they are not just by

1990
01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:45,960
maybe people they work with but yeah

1991
01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:48,060
unfortunately their own family members

1992
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:50,520
their significant others if I had a

1993
01:20:54,350 --> 01:20:52,800
nickel for every time someone contacted

1994
01:20:56,450 --> 01:20:54,360
me and told me about their significant

1995
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,460
other making fun of them every time they

1996
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,320
go to a family get-together they're the

1997
01:21:02,209 --> 01:21:00,239
the punch line of the get-together

1998
01:21:04,010 --> 01:21:02,219
because they actually let it not be

1999
01:21:07,070 --> 01:21:04,020
known that they had this Dogman

2000
01:21:09,709 --> 01:21:07,080
encounter or a Bigfoot encounter so yeah

2001
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:09,719
I would love for it to be

2002
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,940
LED out of the bag but I totally

2003
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:13,679
understand why it's never going to be

2004
01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:15,179
let out of the bag at least to my

2005
01:21:17,950 --> 01:21:16,920
opinion I don't think that's ever going

2006
01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:17,960
to happen

2007
01:21:22,189 --> 01:21:20,520
Nathan also the chanterelle mushroom

2008
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:22,199
industry you think about you making an

2009
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,600
Asian stir fry at home what would happen

2010
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:27,120
you know to your some sort of a Chinese

2011
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:28,980
stir fry where you need Chantal

2012
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:30,600
mushrooms so yeah very challenging under

2013
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:31,980
that yeah

2014
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,780
it's enough to make me not want it to

2015
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,520
come out so

2016
01:21:38,330 --> 01:21:36,960
what do we have left to get to do we

2017
01:21:40,010 --> 01:21:38,340
have Matt or Dad we want to hear from

2018
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,020
Matt and from you I think so I'm going

2019
01:21:44,090 --> 01:21:42,239
to put you up next what do you think DJ

2020
01:21:47,209 --> 01:21:44,100
so I think there's probably a different

2021
01:21:49,850 --> 01:21:47,219
answer for each each entity you know

2022
01:21:52,729 --> 01:21:49,860
with UFOs I mean we're very very close

2023
01:21:54,169 --> 01:21:52,739
to it being out of the bag and that you

2024
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,179
know then maybe the non-human

2025
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,400
intelligence or as Dr Masters say a

2026
01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:58,560
future humans that have that are coming

2027
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:00,120
back and interacting with this and

2028
01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:04,800
seeing checking on our custodial uh uh

2029
01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:07,080
of our our custody of the planet you

2030
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:09,719
know uh and and so you know even what

2031
01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:11,640
would Deb's answer kind of is something

2032
01:22:17,810 --> 01:22:14,820
I want for a future Roundtable uh to

2033
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:17,820
delve into that area of it but um I

2034
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:19,980
think for bigfoot I I don't think it

2035
01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:22,560
would be good uh because of what what we

2036
01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:24,300
discussed on prior shows I think they

2037
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:26,340
would could become a hunting trophy

2038
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,080
Target

2039
01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:30,000
um there could it could turn into a

2040
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:32,219
political football where uh it's

2041
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,600
something that the left and the right

2042
01:22:37,970 --> 01:22:35,280
might want to fight about because then

2043
01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:37,980
people might want to hunt them and if uh

2044
01:22:41,630 --> 01:22:39,540
there were hunting laws that were

2045
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,640
enacted or they were protected people

2046
01:22:47,930 --> 01:22:44,159
might say hey this is a load of crap

2047
01:22:50,689 --> 01:22:47,940
it's a danger and and go out anyway so

2048
01:22:52,610 --> 01:22:50,699
you know with with groups uh more groups

2049
01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:52,620
that are heavily armed looking to take

2050
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:54,540
out some of these creatures so I think

2051
01:23:00,770 --> 01:22:58,320
it it probably would not turn out well

2052
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:00,780
for Bigfoot and then what Vic alluded to

2053
01:23:06,169 --> 01:23:03,300
I'll just say that I'll I agree you know

2054
01:23:08,810 --> 01:23:06,179
relative to Dogman uh I I agree entirely

2055
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:08,820
with what he said on that I couldn't say

2056
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,300
it better uh but in the UFO phenomenon I

2057
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:14,159
think is is different I think we've

2058
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,820
talked about that I think um that it it

2059
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:20,159
could be really good for a group of us

2060
01:23:24,830 --> 01:23:22,920
to know that these exist and have all

2061
01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:24,840
the new stations saying that yes this is

2062
01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:27,300
a thing and I also think there's a much

2063
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:29,219
larger group of us that would not handle

2064
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:31,860
it as well as the folks that we have

2065
01:23:37,729 --> 01:23:34,800
chosen as our our family that we sort of

2066
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:37,739
have come to know our our family of The

2067
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,600
Unexplained or the phenomenon that we

2068
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:41,520
interact with that is ready to hear this

2069
01:23:45,290 --> 01:23:43,500
and ready to know that truth and ready

2070
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:45,300
to just deal with it

2071
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:46,860
um I don't know that everybody is going

2072
01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:49,440
to necessarily handle it quite that well

2073
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:55,250
yeah geez this is a question I think

2074
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:57,000
about a lot uh

2075
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:00,600
not just because I'm a podcaster in that

2076
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:04,080
subject matter but just as a witness as

2077
01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:06,900
a person who's talked to multiple

2078
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:09,780
Witnesses you know like what's already

2079
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:12,960
been said it's that great moment that we

2080
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:15,360
would finally have where I told you so

2081
01:24:21,470 --> 01:24:17,640
you know shut up I was you know I'm not

2082
01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:21,480
crazy uh that that justification

2083
01:24:25,310 --> 01:24:24,600
that would be great

2084
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:25,320
um

2085
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:27,659
I think a lot of it would depend on how

2086
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,900
it was presented how it was acknowledged

2087
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:32,880
to exist uh depending on what it was

2088
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:35,760
because in my mind it's a lot safer

2089
01:24:40,910 --> 01:24:38,640
for the government to say yeah there's

2090
01:24:43,490 --> 01:24:40,920
something up in the skies but you know

2091
01:24:46,850 --> 01:24:43,500
we're trying to figure it out then to

2092
01:24:49,729 --> 01:24:46,860
say there's a monster that can kill you

2093
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,739
that lives in your backyard

2094
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:52,080
that we can't do anything about

2095
01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:54,719
uh whenever you go camping and you hear

2096
01:24:59,090 --> 01:24:56,100
something walking around your tent at

2097
01:25:01,550 --> 01:24:59,100
night it's probably one of these things

2098
01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:01,560
I I mean how do you even approach that

2099
01:25:05,870 --> 01:25:04,260
uh and the problems it would cause and

2100
01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:05,880
like Vic was saying you know the the

2101
01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:08,699
impact it would have on you know various

2102
01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:12,060
uh industries that it also gives humans

2103
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:13,860
the excuse to charge more for those

2104
01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:16,860
items you know we've gotta we've gotta

2105
01:25:20,270 --> 01:25:18,600
up the price because now that that

2106
01:25:22,490 --> 01:25:20,280
chainsaw operator that Vic was talking

2107
01:25:24,050 --> 01:25:22,500
about was twice the salary he's putting

2108
01:25:26,270 --> 01:25:24,060
his life at risk because these things

2109
01:25:27,950 --> 01:25:26,280
are out there so now we have to double

2110
01:25:31,850 --> 01:25:27,960
the price of the goods that that company

2111
01:25:35,050 --> 01:25:31,860
ultimately produces uh so those impacts

2112
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:35,060
would be very negative uh from a

2113
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:38,460
philosophical standpoint however

2114
01:25:43,370 --> 01:25:41,520
I kind of think we need some Mysteries I

2115
01:25:45,950 --> 01:25:43,380
think we need that humbling as human

2116
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,960
beings to let us know that you know

2117
01:25:49,550 --> 01:25:48,000
there's still some unanswered questions

2118
01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:49,560
out there and we don't know everything

2119
01:25:54,350 --> 01:25:52,380
and we don't have that understanding

2120
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:54,360
that we think we do over the universe

2121
01:26:02,090 --> 01:25:57,920
and that there's much more out there

2122
01:26:05,149 --> 01:26:02,100
than just us we're not the all-knowing

2123
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:05,159
all-powerful beings in creation

2124
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:08,400
and we might possibly share our own home

2125
01:26:12,770 --> 01:26:10,380
and spaces with some things that are

2126
01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:12,780
much greater than we are

2127
01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:15,000
that eye on top of the pyramid on the

2128
01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:16,260
back of the dollar bill that was

2129
01:26:22,010 --> 01:26:19,020
brilliant Matt uh to cash out Matt

2130
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:25,970
yeah so will said uh thank you um Dad

2131
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:28,560
let's get your topic honestly I had

2132
01:26:34,189 --> 01:26:31,440
another one but I'm so intrigued by this

2133
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:34,199
one that I have to go back to it so I

2134
01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:36,239
keep thinking about the psychology of

2135
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:39,060
humans okay so there's there's new

2136
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:41,580
species that are found every day that

2137
01:26:46,010 --> 01:26:44,100
people ignore there are scientific facts

2138
01:26:48,649 --> 01:26:46,020
that are astounding that happen all the

2139
01:26:50,810 --> 01:26:48,659
time that people ignore I feel like if

2140
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,820
something was presented in a scientific

2141
01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:52,800
magazine about a Cryptid being real

2142
01:26:58,189 --> 01:26:55,380
people would suddenly be like okay and

2143
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:58,199
they'd move on in two weeks I really do

2144
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,000
um I don't think it's going to be the

2145
01:27:04,610 --> 01:27:02,400
game changing thing that other people

2146
01:27:07,010 --> 01:27:04,620
are talking about and I'll tell you why

2147
01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:07,020
I think people are arrogant there are

2148
01:27:12,110 --> 01:27:09,260
there's already Bears there's already

2149
01:27:13,790 --> 01:27:12,120
mountain lions there's already you know

2150
01:27:17,149 --> 01:27:13,800
other things that can kill you out in

2151
01:27:19,209 --> 01:27:17,159
the woods and people figure out a way so

2152
01:27:22,129 --> 01:27:19,219
I guess my question now is going to be

2153
01:27:24,350 --> 01:27:22,139
what do you think would be the best way

2154
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:24,360
to subtly bring this to the people

2155
01:27:28,669 --> 01:27:26,639
people so that they just go about their

2156
01:27:30,110 --> 01:27:28,679
business in two weeks like they do now

2157
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:30,120
when all those other things are

2158
01:27:35,330 --> 01:27:32,100
presented say that again Deb just

2159
01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:35,340
succinctly so yeah so what do you think

2160
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:38,100
that people should do so that it can be

2161
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:40,020
accepted the way those other things are

2162
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:41,940
and then just ignore it two weeks later

2163
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:45,120
like everything else okay so Vic uh what

2164
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:48,420
what could make disclosure of and and

2165
01:27:53,149 --> 01:27:51,120
you know and so are you asking about one

2166
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:53,159
or the other Deb do you mean Bigfoot dog

2167
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,480
man uh all of them all the UFOs okay so

2168
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,000
there you go Vic

2169
01:28:03,950 --> 01:28:02,400
well I'm not too sure that the

2170
01:28:05,649 --> 01:28:03,960
government isn't actually doing that

2171
01:28:08,510 --> 01:28:05,659
when it comes to UFOs

2172
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,520
allowing certain classified documents to

2173
01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:10,080
be released and

2174
01:28:15,770 --> 01:28:12,780
and certain forms that used to be

2175
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,780
redacted until the point maybe there was

2176
01:28:21,950 --> 01:28:18,239
one letter that was still

2177
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,960
available to read but now

2178
01:28:25,250 --> 01:28:23,520
you've got all this information that's

2179
01:28:26,930 --> 01:28:25,260
being released

2180
01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:26,940
I'm not so sure that the government

2181
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:29,880
isn't grooming us right now for that not

2182
01:28:35,689 --> 01:28:32,760
with regards to the Cryptids but with

2183
01:28:37,729 --> 01:28:35,699
regards to aliens UFOs and all that

2184
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:37,739
as far as the best way for them to do

2185
01:28:41,870 --> 01:28:39,600
that when it comes to the Cryptids would

2186
01:28:44,510 --> 01:28:41,880
go I think if they follow the same

2187
01:28:46,270 --> 01:28:44,520
practice by just leaking out bit by bit

2188
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:46,280
information

2189
01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:49,280
acknowledging that okay this did happen

2190
01:28:56,570 --> 01:28:52,860
Ranger was called to this particular

2191
01:28:59,090 --> 01:28:56,580
campsite where a camper reported seeing

2192
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,100
of course use Sasquatch to break the ice

2193
01:29:04,129 --> 01:29:01,440
reported seeing a Nate foot tall

2194
01:29:07,370 --> 01:29:04,139
Sasquatch yet never dog him that would

2195
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:07,380
just be a horrible way to do it but yeah

2196
01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:12,000
Ranger did respond to a call where

2197
01:29:15,649 --> 01:29:13,800
campers reported seeing an eight foot

2198
01:29:19,010 --> 01:29:15,659
tall Sasquatch in their camp and

2199
01:29:21,970 --> 01:29:19,020
basically support the fact that okay

2200
01:29:23,570 --> 01:29:21,980
yeah what this Ranger

2201
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:23,580
reported

2202
01:29:29,629 --> 01:29:26,940
we support basically to let that out of

2203
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:29,639
the bag finally that okay this did

2204
01:29:36,110 --> 01:29:33,420
happen the ranger investigated and here

2205
01:29:38,990 --> 01:29:36,120
she did find evidence supporting the

2206
01:29:41,689 --> 01:29:39,000
fact that there was an eight foot tall

2207
01:29:43,790 --> 01:29:41,699
hair covered creature the ranger saw

2208
01:29:45,410 --> 01:29:43,800
this creature and maybe even have some

2209
01:29:48,729 --> 01:29:45,420
film footage of it or something like

2210
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:48,739
that maybe not the best film footage but

2211
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:52,320
that that they don't shoot down as being

2212
01:29:58,669 --> 01:29:55,440
ridiculous and just kind of break the

2213
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,679
ice like that start small and and just

2214
01:30:02,990 --> 01:30:00,239
kind of like they're doing with UFO

2215
01:30:05,870 --> 01:30:03,000
phenomena just release information bit

2216
01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:05,880
by bit and build up to a total

2217
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,620
acceptance of the fact that yes they're

2218
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:09,840
out there that my opinion would be the

2219
01:30:13,729 --> 01:30:12,239
best way for them to do that now there

2220
01:30:15,649 --> 01:30:13,739
still are going to be people even by

2221
01:30:17,570 --> 01:30:15,659
doing it that way who are gonna never

2222
01:30:19,490 --> 01:30:17,580
believe in their existence but in my

2223
01:30:21,470 --> 01:30:19,500
opinion I think that's the best way to

2224
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,480
do it

2225
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:24,480
I agree am I next Nathan yeah go away

2226
01:30:30,110 --> 01:30:28,080
yeah um so yeah I I agree with Vic that

2227
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:30,120
that that's a you know a plausible way

2228
01:30:35,209 --> 01:30:32,100
to do it I think the concern is that if

2229
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:35,219
it if it gets to the cable news stations

2230
01:30:40,970 --> 01:30:37,280
and then it becomes a political football

2231
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:40,980
where one Associated political party in

2232
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:42,659
their cable news station take this

2233
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:45,360
position and then the other uh party

2234
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:48,000
takes the other position that could make

2235
01:30:52,370 --> 01:30:50,639
it problematic but be you know I think

2236
01:30:54,010 --> 01:30:52,380
that's the sensible way to do it like

2237
01:30:57,410 --> 01:30:54,020
what what you're saying is to

2238
01:30:58,910 --> 01:30:57,420
desensitize to slow leaks low drip that

2239
01:31:01,070 --> 01:30:58,920
information out there that would be the

2240
01:31:04,850 --> 01:31:01,080
way to do it uh with with these other

2241
01:31:06,770 --> 01:31:04,860
phenomena and the Cryptids uh but um I I

2242
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:06,780
I just have that little concern I'll

2243
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:09,840
just uh that uh that cable news could

2244
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:12,960
could turn it for their own purpose

2245
01:31:17,570 --> 01:31:14,820
yeah I'll go for money

2246
01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:17,580
yeah I mean it's almost like we are

2247
01:31:20,330 --> 01:31:19,080
um

2248
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:20,340
it's like we're toddlers we're

2249
01:31:26,510 --> 01:31:23,760
outgrowing our our play zone right so

2250
01:31:31,010 --> 01:31:26,520
we're getting to a point where our reach

2251
01:31:34,010 --> 01:31:31,020
uh is is coming up against the reality

2252
01:31:36,370 --> 01:31:34,020
more often than it's not and I think

2253
01:31:40,970 --> 01:31:36,380
that's probably what is

2254
01:31:42,770 --> 01:31:40,980
prompting these Revelations and we've

2255
01:31:45,770 --> 01:31:42,780
heard that before right DJ at least in

2256
01:31:48,649 --> 01:31:45,780
the UFO circles that our sensor

2257
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:48,659
technology and and the fact that we're

2258
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:51,120
you know just sort of bathing the entire

2259
01:31:56,510 --> 01:31:53,699
planet and a electromagnetic information

2260
01:32:00,050 --> 01:31:56,520
all the time like we're gonna it we

2261
01:32:02,090 --> 01:32:00,060
can't contain the reality of the UFO all

2262
01:32:04,010 --> 01:32:02,100
that much longer

2263
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:04,020
um and I think that the same thing with

2264
01:32:09,290 --> 01:32:06,420
with the Cryptids it's just sort of this

2265
01:32:11,390 --> 01:32:09,300
slow realization that we're not

2266
01:32:14,450 --> 01:32:11,400
the top of the food chain one of the top

2267
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:14,460
of the pyramid we are uh

2268
01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:17,880
you know really like children again in

2269
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,420
this Cosmic Family and uh we have to

2270
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:23,280
kind of come to this realization that

2271
01:32:29,149 --> 01:32:25,380
that that is the truth and that we have

2272
01:32:32,330 --> 01:32:29,159
to mature in order to I think engage and

2273
01:32:34,729 --> 01:32:32,340
interact with with all of the different

2274
01:32:36,350 --> 01:32:34,739
things that that are out there

2275
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:36,360
um you know are we at that place where

2276
01:32:39,649 --> 01:32:38,159
we actually have the ability to to

2277
01:32:42,050 --> 01:32:39,659
mature in the way that I think would be

2278
01:32:43,910 --> 01:32:42,060
it would be healthy probably not I

2279
01:32:46,669 --> 01:32:43,920
concur with a lot of the things that

2280
01:32:48,850 --> 01:32:46,679
have been said on the episode that there

2281
01:32:52,189 --> 01:32:48,860
would be some pretty

2282
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:52,199
dramatic shifts in in social behavior

2283
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:55,440
and as we react to this news

2284
01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:58,080
um it wouldn't be very smooth

2285
01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:01,679
um particularly if we don't have a uh

2286
01:33:06,290 --> 01:33:04,260
like a clear transparent cordial

2287
01:33:08,330 --> 01:33:06,300
relationship with some of these entities

2288
01:33:10,370 --> 01:33:08,340
it might be a little bit different if we

2289
01:33:13,490 --> 01:33:10,380
could kind of parade them on a on a

2290
01:33:15,169 --> 01:33:13,500
reality TV show you know which would be

2291
01:33:17,090 --> 01:33:15,179
just hilarious to think about

2292
01:33:18,649 --> 01:33:17,100
um just the concept but you know to kind

2293
01:33:20,930 --> 01:33:18,659
of get to know them but I don't see that

2294
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:20,940
happening so I think it's um it's going

2295
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,520
to be a challenge people have to Grapple

2296
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:25,440
with this because it really is like a

2297
01:33:28,850 --> 01:33:26,880
house of cards almost like a domino

2298
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:28,860
effect you know once once a certain

2299
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:32,159
thing is is admitted as true then it

2300
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:34,320
opens up the door for so many other

2301
01:33:39,290 --> 01:33:36,719
phenomena that people have ridiculed for

2302
01:33:42,110 --> 01:33:39,300
so long and then all of a sudden

2303
01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:42,120
you know everything is on the table and

2304
01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:43,800
I don't know that the world's ready for

2305
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,760
that

2306
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:46,800
um I hope I'm wrong

2307
01:33:52,669 --> 01:33:50,880
yeah I mean it's it it's 2017. so let's

2308
01:33:55,490 --> 01:33:52,679
see it's three years so it's six years

2309
01:33:58,189 --> 01:33:55,500
ago that that you know that newspaper

2310
01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:58,199
article New York Times happened and

2311
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,280
we're a significant way down the road

2312
01:34:07,610 --> 01:34:04,080
from where we were where it was socially

2313
01:34:10,490 --> 01:34:07,620
unacceptable in in polite company to to

2314
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:10,500
talk about this this topic Matt did you

2315
01:34:13,370 --> 01:34:12,239
did you get a shot at this one forgive

2316
01:34:15,770 --> 01:34:13,380
me

2317
01:34:16,850 --> 01:34:15,780
if we're out of order as Al Pacino once

2318
01:34:21,470 --> 01:34:16,860
said

2319
01:34:24,350 --> 01:34:23,510
I should take a flamethrower to this

2320
01:34:27,729 --> 01:34:24,360
place

2321
01:34:37,070 --> 01:34:33,649
I mean so so Deb made references to

2322
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:37,080
things like Bears already existing uh

2323
01:34:40,850 --> 01:34:39,300
dangerous things in the woods yeah

2324
01:34:42,350 --> 01:34:40,860
correct

2325
01:34:45,790 --> 01:34:42,360
um

2326
01:34:49,729 --> 01:34:45,800
the problem is if you listen to

2327
01:34:51,770 --> 01:34:49,739
Witnesses and take their word for it uh

2328
01:34:55,129 --> 01:34:51,780
this isn't another animal

2329
01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:55,139
this isn't hey look we there there is

2330
01:35:00,169 --> 01:34:57,060
another primate or there is another

2331
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:00,179
canine uh so

2332
01:35:04,970 --> 01:35:03,360
if let's just say for instance Bigfoot

2333
01:35:07,010 --> 01:35:04,980
can mind speak

2334
01:35:08,890 --> 01:35:07,020
they would have to figure out a way to

2335
01:35:12,050 --> 01:35:08,900
introduce

2336
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:12,060
telepathy as being a real thing before

2337
01:35:15,890 --> 01:35:13,920
they could introduce the Bigfoot they

2338
01:35:17,870 --> 01:35:15,900
would have to take baby steps leading up

2339
01:35:19,970 --> 01:35:17,880
to these abilities that these things

2340
01:35:22,010 --> 01:35:19,980
have before they can just introduce

2341
01:35:24,649 --> 01:35:22,020
here's something that does it

2342
01:35:26,090 --> 01:35:24,659
uh they would definitely have to control

2343
01:35:28,610 --> 01:35:26,100
the narrative

2344
01:35:32,030 --> 01:35:28,620
uh I think that would be the the main

2345
01:35:34,910 --> 01:35:32,040
thing and the only way I can foresee

2346
01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:34,920
them being able to introduce it where

2347
01:35:41,689 --> 01:35:37,800
people would just take it as that and

2348
01:35:45,050 --> 01:35:41,699
just shrug it off would be uh to make it

2349
01:35:49,070 --> 01:35:45,060
an animal to control the narrative to

2350
01:35:52,490 --> 01:35:49,080
the aspect of uh what a lot of the

2351
01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:52,500
mainstream Bigfoot researchers uh

2352
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:53,880
believe that this is just some

2353
01:35:58,910 --> 01:35:56,400
undiscovered primate for instance and

2354
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,920
just spin it like that

2355
01:36:02,990 --> 01:36:00,719
um and and they would have to stay on

2356
01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:03,000
top of that you know and then you would

2357
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:04,260
still have the same problem where

2358
01:36:08,510 --> 01:36:06,000
Witnesses would come forward and say

2359
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:08,520
well no no no no you know I saw one step

2360
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:10,320
through a portal or you know one spoke

2361
01:36:15,169 --> 01:36:12,719
to me in my mind and those people would

2362
01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:15,179
still be ridiculed and laughed at so we

2363
01:36:21,290 --> 01:36:17,460
really wouldn't progress anywhere

2364
01:36:24,110 --> 01:36:21,300
and I really honestly feel that uh the

2365
01:36:26,930 --> 01:36:24,120
government already knows uh these things

2366
01:36:29,209 --> 01:36:26,940
are out there and if they were just an

2367
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:29,219
animal then they wouldn't be hiding the

2368
01:36:32,030 --> 01:36:30,719
fact that they're out there they

2369
01:36:35,330 --> 01:36:32,040
wouldn't care about suppressing the

2370
01:36:37,070 --> 01:36:35,340
information if it was just in fact some

2371
01:36:39,410 --> 01:36:37,080
undiscovered primate or some

2372
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:39,420
undiscovered canine that happens to walk

2373
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:41,760
by peterly I I think it would have been

2374
01:36:47,570 --> 01:36:44,880
allowed to come out years and years ago

2375
01:36:50,510 --> 01:36:47,580
but for some reason it hasn't

2376
01:36:52,430 --> 01:36:50,520
you know the interesting thing and you

2377
01:36:54,350 --> 01:36:52,440
know I'm taking a comic shot at here I

2378
01:36:56,930 --> 01:36:54,360
was thinking of you know Chewbacca

2379
01:37:00,590 --> 01:36:56,940
walking through the uh you know the the

2380
01:37:02,990 --> 01:37:00,600
uh what's that uh Imperial cruiser and

2381
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:03,000
and if that were Sasquatch you know in

2382
01:37:07,610 --> 01:37:05,760
in some sort of handcuffs like The

2383
01:37:09,470 --> 01:37:07,620
Wookie you know there's no question that

2384
01:37:11,209 --> 01:37:09,480
people are gonna look at this thing and

2385
01:37:13,490 --> 01:37:11,219
it's going to present a problem because

2386
01:37:15,890 --> 01:37:13,500
they're going to realize that there's a

2387
01:37:18,290 --> 01:37:15,900
certain a significant amount of humanity

2388
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,300
in this that they don't see when they

2389
01:37:22,850 --> 01:37:20,639
look at a gorilla you know when you see

2390
01:37:26,209 --> 01:37:22,860
gorillas in the you know in their native

2391
01:37:28,370 --> 01:37:26,219
environment you know uh in you know

2392
01:37:29,689 --> 01:37:28,380
jungles of Africa Etc you know you you

2393
01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:29,699
know that you're looking at something

2394
01:37:34,610 --> 01:37:32,460
that even though they have 95 of our DNA

2395
01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:34,620
there you could just tell it's something

2396
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:36,120
different whereas Bigfoot you know

2397
01:37:40,850 --> 01:37:38,400
people might look at that and have a

2398
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:40,860
visceral reaction uh that this thing's

2399
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:42,960
part human and then of course there's

2400
01:37:46,850 --> 01:37:44,639
going to become the licensing fees

2401
01:37:49,250 --> 01:37:46,860
they're going to want to cut of all

2402
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:49,260
these t-shirts and mugs and then Vic

2403
01:37:51,950 --> 01:37:50,880
right the dogmen are going to be upset

2404
01:37:53,870 --> 01:37:51,960
because you know they're

2405
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:53,880
underrepresented there's not enough

2406
01:37:58,430 --> 01:37:55,920
t-shirts and different and mugs and

2407
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:58,440
material on Etsy that that represents

2408
01:38:03,770 --> 01:38:00,960
dog managers Bigfoot so you know it's

2409
01:38:06,350 --> 01:38:03,780
going to get competitive uh I'm sorry

2410
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:06,360
Matt I think it's your topic right buddy

2411
01:38:15,709 --> 01:38:14,090
so uh yeah we'll go with this one

2412
01:38:17,330 --> 01:38:15,719
because I I'm interested in hearing

2413
01:38:18,590 --> 01:38:17,340
Vic's answer on this one so I want to go

2414
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:18,600
to the Vic first

2415
01:38:24,050 --> 01:38:22,560
um oh boy yeah so this beautiful this

2416
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:24,060
beautiful platform we have here the

2417
01:38:28,129 --> 01:38:25,080
internet

2418
01:38:30,350 --> 01:38:28,139
and uh the modern ability for anybody to

2419
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:30,360
go on Amazon and self-publish a book you

2420
01:38:34,850 --> 01:38:32,159
don't have to go through any of the

2421
01:38:37,610 --> 01:38:34,860
rigmarole to get stuff out there uh

2422
01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:37,620
anybody can create a podcast and they

2423
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:39,420
can create a following they can create

2424
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:42,840
an audience uh how do you think that

2425
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:46,560
helps or hurts the study and further any

2426
01:38:50,169 --> 01:38:49,199
education of these subjects whenever

2427
01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:50,179
somebody

2428
01:38:56,510 --> 01:38:54,900
uh can grow a large audience and popular

2429
01:38:57,890 --> 01:38:56,520
opinion theories aren't always the

2430
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:57,900
correct ones and the followers will

2431
01:39:03,169 --> 01:39:00,080
support whatever their favorite

2432
01:39:06,410 --> 01:39:03,179
podcaster or favorite author says and

2433
01:39:09,530 --> 01:39:06,420
just take that as the gospel uh do you

2434
01:39:12,890 --> 01:39:09,540
think is this helping is it hurting it

2435
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:12,900
how do we go forward from here

2436
01:39:18,770 --> 01:39:15,840
well that too is a double-edged sword I

2437
01:39:20,450 --> 01:39:18,780
do believe in free speech but yeah

2438
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,460
unfortunately there's so much bad

2439
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:22,080
information floating around when it

2440
01:39:26,510 --> 01:39:24,719
comes to Dogman and Sasquatch that it

2441
01:39:29,390 --> 01:39:26,520
really ultimately hurts what we're all

2442
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:29,400
trying to do here if the main goal which

2443
01:39:38,209 --> 01:39:33,360
I believe it is is to raise awareness of

2444
01:39:40,490 --> 01:39:38,219
these Cryptids and to educate people on

2445
01:39:42,850 --> 01:39:40,500
these Cryptids if you have so many shows

2446
01:39:46,010 --> 01:39:42,860
out there who are putting out

2447
01:39:48,350 --> 01:39:46,020
Creepypasta without acknowledging the

2448
01:39:50,750 --> 01:39:48,360
fact that it's Creepypasta or if they're

2449
01:39:54,610 --> 01:39:50,760
putting out information that isn't

2450
01:39:58,490 --> 01:39:54,620
Creepypasta but they know that it's not

2451
01:40:00,770 --> 01:39:58,500
accurate it's not true information it's

2452
01:40:03,229 --> 01:40:00,780
just information that maybe furthers

2453
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,239
their agenda yeah we're ultimately

2454
01:40:07,010 --> 01:40:05,280
hurting ourselves and then you have so

2455
01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:07,020
many people who listen to these shows

2456
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:08,820
and they they take what they hear as

2457
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:10,800
gospel from this person or that person

2458
01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:13,920
yeah it just causes a lot of problems I

2459
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:16,260
mean talking about the Dogman front

2460
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:18,960
time after time I talk with eyewitnesses

2461
01:40:23,810 --> 01:40:21,900
who have had traumatic experiences with

2462
01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:23,820
dog men and then they listen to this

2463
01:40:28,430 --> 01:40:25,980
show or that show about the the

2464
01:40:31,729 --> 01:40:28,440
mind-eating dog man who will split your

2465
01:40:34,729 --> 01:40:31,739
skull open and devour your brains and

2466
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,739
they take that as being a gospel story a

2467
01:40:38,270 --> 01:40:36,960
factual story and then next thing you

2468
01:40:39,950 --> 01:40:38,280
know I'm talking with them and trying to

2469
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:39,960
talk them off the ledge having to

2470
01:40:44,450 --> 01:40:42,719
explain no that's not how it is that was

2471
01:40:47,330 --> 01:40:44,460
just a story that was made up to get

2472
01:40:50,689 --> 01:40:47,340
views and put butts and seeds and line

2473
01:40:54,050 --> 01:40:50,699
whoever's pocket that hosts that show

2474
01:40:55,970 --> 01:40:54,060
basically so yeah like I said I do

2475
01:40:57,229 --> 01:40:55,980
believe in freedom of speech but

2476
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:57,239
unfortunately when it comes to the

2477
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,460
Cryptid side of things here talking

2478
01:41:04,490 --> 01:41:01,760
about dog man or Sasquatch especially

2479
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:04,500
dogmen in my opinion It ultimately

2480
01:41:13,370 --> 01:41:11,570
and uh Matt so if I understand correctly

2481
01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:13,380
understand where do we go from here in

2482
01:41:17,689 --> 01:41:15,480
terms of information that's getting out

2483
01:41:19,970 --> 01:41:17,699
there that's just not worthy etc etc is

2484
01:41:22,729 --> 01:41:19,980
that it well I mean just how we deal

2485
01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:22,739
with the conundrum in general uh you

2486
01:41:29,209 --> 01:41:26,340
know uh anybody can have a voice which

2487
01:41:32,570 --> 01:41:29,219
is great that's fantastic unfortunately

2488
01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:32,580
there are people out there who just want

2489
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,219
a following and they do just want to

2490
01:41:40,370 --> 01:41:37,520
make money and they put out information

2491
01:41:42,490 --> 01:41:40,380
uh whatever gets the most views the most

2492
01:41:45,770 --> 01:41:42,500
attention and they grow these huge

2493
01:41:47,810 --> 01:41:45,780
audiences yeah and those audiences

2494
01:41:49,550 --> 01:41:47,820
believe everything they say and support

2495
01:41:53,570 --> 01:41:49,560
them to the Grave

2496
01:41:55,310 --> 01:41:53,580
so then you have a huge uh wealth of

2497
01:41:57,050 --> 01:41:55,320
misinformation that's out there that's

2498
01:42:00,770 --> 01:41:57,060
considered true

2499
01:42:03,770 --> 01:42:00,780
whenever it's actually not I I have I

2500
01:42:05,950 --> 01:42:03,780
have got you on this now this theme has

2501
01:42:08,689 --> 01:42:05,960
played out I mean you could go back to

2502
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:08,699
uh when the Atlantic was published in

2503
01:42:14,750 --> 01:42:13,080
the 1850s and someone uh a uh you know

2504
01:42:17,090 --> 01:42:14,760
someone might have said oh it's a

2505
01:42:19,010 --> 01:42:17,100
federalist rag you know what I mean and

2506
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,020
and there were counter newspapers

2507
01:42:24,109 --> 01:42:21,840
perhaps in the South countering maybe

2508
01:42:26,330 --> 01:42:24,119
what was written in the Atlantic or

2509
01:42:27,890 --> 01:42:26,340
something like that so that's gone all

2510
01:42:31,970 --> 01:42:27,900
the way back to then then you can get

2511
01:42:35,330 --> 01:42:31,980
into uh the 80s but really the 90s in in

2512
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,340
talk radio when you know uh sports radio

2513
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:37,920
came in in the late 80s and then turned

2514
01:42:42,649 --> 01:42:40,800
into talk radio so similar things are

2515
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:42,659
happening in in those mediums where

2516
01:42:46,910 --> 01:42:44,719
people are putting out false information

2517
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,920
and are just trying to cultivate

2518
01:42:52,010 --> 01:42:48,960
audiences and make a living off of it

2519
01:42:54,770 --> 01:42:52,020
and not really trying to be even-handed

2520
01:42:56,450 --> 01:42:54,780
or see both sides or or this sort of

2521
01:42:58,910 --> 01:42:56,460
thing so I don't think this is any

2522
01:43:02,629 --> 01:42:58,920
different and I I don't think we have a

2523
01:43:05,629 --> 01:43:02,639
a solution to it if you even step near

2524
01:43:07,790 --> 01:43:05,639
anything that would approach

2525
01:43:10,609 --> 01:43:07,800
um trying to curb that it would look

2526
01:43:13,070 --> 01:43:10,619
like the way that half a Lex Friedman's

2527
01:43:15,290 --> 01:43:13,080
podcast these days and Joe Rogan's

2528
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:15,300
podcasts are talking about free speech

2529
01:43:19,129 --> 01:43:17,280
and everybody should be able to say

2530
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,139
anything and do anything on Twitter

2531
01:43:23,930 --> 01:43:21,840
so I think it you know I hate to use

2532
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:23,940
that well overused American phrase that

2533
01:43:27,410 --> 01:43:25,440
is what it is but I think that's just

2534
01:43:30,050 --> 01:43:27,420
where we are and people are going to

2535
01:43:34,669 --> 01:43:30,060
have to discern for themselves and

2536
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:34,679
luckily this topic is

2537
01:43:42,770 --> 01:43:37,920
less dangerous if you will than other

2538
01:43:46,189 --> 01:43:42,780
topics that become politicized that uh

2539
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:46,199
there could be lives at stake uh this is

2540
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:49,199
something that we enjoy that is

2541
01:43:53,810 --> 01:43:51,360
interesting that is true

2542
01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:53,820
and we want the world to know about it

2543
01:44:02,030 --> 01:43:56,820
but they're not paying a heavy cost to

2544
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:05,750
okay so let me see is that who hasn't

2545
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,639
gone yet money money Nathan right

2546
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:11,040
yeah I can uh just on this um from

2547
01:44:13,310 --> 01:44:12,239
Matt's question

2548
01:44:15,530 --> 01:44:13,320
um

2549
01:44:18,649 --> 01:44:15,540
you know I think we were entering into

2550
01:44:20,209 --> 01:44:18,659
the end of consensus reality

2551
01:44:23,169 --> 01:44:20,219
um I think that we are reaching the

2552
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:23,179
point of information over saturation

2553
01:44:31,209 --> 01:44:28,560
and everyone is going to live in a in a

2554
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:31,219
bubble of information that they find

2555
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:34,400
interesting fascinating you know

2556
01:44:40,669 --> 01:44:38,159
palatable you know self-soothing all the

2557
01:44:42,830 --> 01:44:40,679
above right I mean that's that's the

2558
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:42,840
world that we're transitioning into I

2559
01:44:48,709 --> 01:44:45,840
think at the moment and um

2560
01:44:49,970 --> 01:44:48,719
it's going to be pretty weird I I I want

2561
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,980
to come back to something that I think

2562
01:44:52,490 --> 01:44:51,600
Vic touched on at the beginning of the

2563
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:52,500
show

2564
01:44:58,189 --> 01:44:56,159
and it came out pretty clearly in in his

2565
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:58,199
explanation about you know how long he's

2566
01:45:02,570 --> 01:45:00,000
been doing this and why he's doing what

2567
01:45:04,729 --> 01:45:02,580
he's doing and that is you know one of

2568
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:04,739
the things that we I think on this show

2569
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:06,480
get from

2570
01:45:12,490 --> 01:45:09,360
hosting a show like this and creating a

2571
01:45:17,330 --> 01:45:12,500
space for these conversations is it

2572
01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:17,340
provides a uh kind of a a validating

2573
01:45:22,490 --> 01:45:19,760
function for The Human Experience

2574
01:45:25,370 --> 01:45:22,500
and it's community building and that's

2575
01:45:28,370 --> 01:45:25,380
the one thing that human beings I

2576
01:45:31,609 --> 01:45:28,380
believe are really hungry for now

2577
01:45:32,810 --> 01:45:31,619
in in this world of disconnected connect

2578
01:45:36,050 --> 01:45:32,820
connection

2579
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:36,060
uh we we want community and to have a

2580
01:45:39,290 --> 01:45:37,920
place like this and other shows where

2581
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:39,300
you can have a

2582
01:45:45,649 --> 01:45:42,239
an open conversation and treat people

2583
01:45:47,689 --> 01:45:45,659
with respect and and you know eagerly

2584
01:45:49,729 --> 01:45:47,699
listen to their experience and validate

2585
01:45:51,470 --> 01:45:49,739
their experience even if you may not

2586
01:45:53,450 --> 01:45:51,480
agree with every facet of it I think

2587
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,460
that that's meaningful and then that we

2588
01:45:57,709 --> 01:45:55,440
are going to need that meaning

2589
01:46:00,590 --> 01:45:57,719
in our lives we will always need that

2590
01:46:04,250 --> 01:46:00,600
kind of meaning in our lives and so

2591
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:04,260
these shows and platforms I think if if

2592
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:07,440
hosted with the right intent really do

2593
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,800
provide a valuable service

2594
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:13,440
um it will be very difficult though to

2595
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:16,560
parse I think that the truth from from

2596
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:19,500
fiction unfortunately

2597
01:46:24,050 --> 01:46:22,080
dabs

2598
01:46:26,209 --> 01:46:24,060
um so there's this thing in Psychology

2599
01:46:29,390 --> 01:46:26,219
where if you try to tell someone they're

2600
01:46:31,850 --> 01:46:29,400
wrong they will actually double down on

2601
01:46:33,169 --> 01:46:31,860
their opinion rather than change their

2602
01:46:35,450 --> 01:46:33,179
mind

2603
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:35,460
um in fact the the best strategy

2604
01:46:39,530 --> 01:46:36,960
generally is just to give people

2605
01:46:42,129 --> 01:46:39,540
information and educate them with facts

2606
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:42,139
and I understand that gets muddied a bit

2607
01:46:47,689 --> 01:46:46,320
but the best you can do is continue to

2608
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:47,699
do what you're doing because you can't

2609
01:46:51,890 --> 01:46:49,440
stop those

2610
01:46:55,070 --> 01:46:51,900
um leaks of misinformation at this point

2611
01:46:57,470 --> 01:46:55,080
it's it's impossible I do think that

2612
01:46:58,910 --> 01:46:57,480
like it's almost like whack-a-mole so if

2613
01:47:01,490 --> 01:46:58,920
someone's sitting there whacking all the

2614
01:47:03,290 --> 01:47:01,500
people who are in their opinion giving

2615
01:47:05,450 --> 01:47:03,300
misinformation

2616
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:05,460
um what happens on social media is that

2617
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,960
people get upset about the person doing

2618
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:08,639
the whacking actually they don't

2619
01:47:14,030 --> 01:47:12,000
actually pay attention to them all so so

2620
01:47:15,709 --> 01:47:14,040
that's that's something I've noticed I

2621
01:47:17,390 --> 01:47:15,719
get a little offended by those people

2622
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:17,400
doing the whacking too because they go

2623
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:20,639
at it too hard so I just recommend just

2624
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:22,800
putting out the best information you

2625
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:24,960
can't and that's the best you can do and

2626
01:47:29,450 --> 01:47:27,360
hope that reasonable people will make

2627
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,460
good decisions

2628
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,920
that is right on the money Debs right on

2629
01:47:35,090 --> 01:47:33,360
the money

2630
01:47:36,770 --> 01:47:35,100
um and last but certainly not least our

2631
01:47:38,450 --> 01:47:36,780
guest of honor we got to get through

2632
01:47:39,890 --> 01:47:38,460
this quickly because I I didn't expect

2633
01:47:41,689 --> 01:47:39,900
we were going to keep him here for two

2634
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:41,699
hours let's see if we can get through

2635
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:43,440
this in 12 minutes Vic what was your

2636
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,880
topic my friend

2637
01:47:50,750 --> 01:47:46,800
my topic is I think we're all in

2638
01:47:55,070 --> 01:47:50,760
agreement that Sasquatch dogmen all the

2639
01:47:57,950 --> 01:47:55,080
major Cryptids are extant but

2640
01:48:01,010 --> 01:47:57,960
how do you explain the lack

2641
01:48:03,410 --> 01:48:01,020
of breadcrumbs pretty much the total

2642
01:48:05,870 --> 01:48:03,420
lack of breadcrumbs supporting their

2643
01:48:08,270 --> 01:48:05,880
existence

2644
01:48:09,890 --> 01:48:08,280
I'll go first and then I'll I'll pass it

2645
01:48:11,629 --> 01:48:09,900
to Nathan and pass it around the horn

2646
01:48:13,490 --> 01:48:11,639
but

2647
01:48:15,530 --> 01:48:13,500
I uh

2648
01:48:17,570 --> 01:48:15,540
you know I think that it's what you we

2649
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:17,580
we spoke about earlier sorting my

2650
01:48:23,390 --> 01:48:19,440
question is is there communication going

2651
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:23,400
on I think they've figured out uh us and

2652
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,920
our if they've been on this continent

2653
01:48:29,090 --> 01:48:27,600
for long enough and the other continents

2654
01:48:32,030 --> 01:48:29,100
that they exist on because it's not only

2655
01:48:34,189 --> 01:48:32,040
this one they've figured out what our

2656
01:48:37,629 --> 01:48:34,199
Tendencies are what our methodologies

2657
01:48:40,129 --> 01:48:37,639
are the fact that we have to

2658
01:48:42,410 --> 01:48:40,139
synthetically manufacture things to

2659
01:48:43,729 --> 01:48:42,420
survive in the woods we need to cook we

2660
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:43,739
need to do all these different things

2661
01:48:48,109 --> 01:48:46,080
for to make ourselves comfortable that

2662
01:48:50,450 --> 01:48:48,119
they perhaps don't have to do and

2663
01:48:51,950 --> 01:48:50,460
they've figured out how to avoid us Matt

2664
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:51,960
and I recently had a conversation about

2665
01:48:56,750 --> 01:48:54,239
what they do with uh with their bones

2666
01:48:59,149 --> 01:48:56,760
how are they getting rid of them Beyond

2667
01:49:01,850 --> 01:48:59,159
just nature taking them and you know

2668
01:49:04,189 --> 01:49:01,860
different uh uh smaller Predators coming

2669
01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:04,199
and eating the meat and then you've seen

2670
01:49:08,750 --> 01:49:05,820
the insects and all these sorts of

2671
01:49:11,209 --> 01:49:08,760
things are they do they have a berry a

2672
01:49:13,070 --> 01:49:11,219
burying ritual and we talked about how

2673
01:49:16,370 --> 01:49:13,080
they might do that maybe hiding them

2674
01:49:17,870 --> 01:49:16,380
under uh tree structures or Fallen trees

2675
01:49:20,689 --> 01:49:17,880
or something where we'd be less likely

2676
01:49:23,629 --> 01:49:20,699
to look so it it is a mystery it's

2677
01:49:26,750 --> 01:49:23,639
what's awesome about it is that we we

2678
01:49:29,090 --> 01:49:26,760
don't know and I just it seems to me

2679
01:49:32,090 --> 01:49:29,100
that they have mastered their

2680
01:49:34,850 --> 01:49:32,100
environment the way that perhaps a a

2681
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,860
computer programmer has has mastered

2682
01:49:37,550 --> 01:49:36,719
certain computer languages and can

2683
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:37,560
create

2684
01:49:42,649 --> 01:49:39,840
what we're using for example this medium

2685
01:49:45,410 --> 01:49:42,659
right now that we would have thought was

2686
01:49:46,729 --> 01:49:45,420
space age in the 70s when we were

2687
01:49:49,850 --> 01:49:46,739
growing up

2688
01:49:52,689 --> 01:49:49,860
so I think uh Bigfoot and perhaps Dogman

2689
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:52,699
as well have have done that

2690
01:49:59,629 --> 01:49:57,119
yeah I think uh we see the world that we

2691
01:50:01,910 --> 01:49:59,639
are sort of trained to see we which

2692
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:01,920
means we operate with blinders on most

2693
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:04,560
of the time and uh there's a lot of

2694
01:50:10,189 --> 01:50:06,960
things that happen in reality that we

2695
01:50:11,149 --> 01:50:10,199
are completely oblivious to

2696
01:50:14,090 --> 01:50:11,159
um

2697
01:50:16,189 --> 01:50:14,100
whether it be uh you know a range of

2698
01:50:19,490 --> 01:50:16,199
light that we cannot perceive or sound

2699
01:50:23,570 --> 01:50:19,500
that we cannot hear uh it's just small

2700
01:50:26,510 --> 01:50:23,580
examples of that so I think that we are

2701
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:26,520
in a way like incapable of seeing some

2702
01:50:31,970 --> 01:50:29,760
of the evidence for these uh creatures

2703
01:50:32,930 --> 01:50:31,980
and other phenomena

2704
01:50:35,470 --> 01:50:32,940
um

2705
01:50:38,209 --> 01:50:35,480
until maybe maybe one day we will be

2706
01:50:41,530 --> 01:50:38,219
maybe you know part of the maturation

2707
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:41,540
process of a species as it becomes more

2708
01:50:47,709 --> 01:50:44,159
intelligent is that it goes through this

2709
01:50:50,209 --> 01:50:47,719
kind of uh trans

2710
01:50:53,390 --> 01:50:50,219
mogrification you know it goes through

2711
01:50:55,609 --> 01:50:53,400
this transitional phase of uh being more

2712
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:55,619
and more aware of the greater world

2713
01:50:58,010 --> 01:50:57,360
around it

2714
01:51:01,070 --> 01:50:58,020
um

2715
01:51:02,930 --> 01:51:01,080
and and that's an integral part of its

2716
01:51:07,970 --> 01:51:02,940
maturation right that it has to kind of

2717
01:51:11,149 --> 01:51:07,980
learn uh to get along in its confined

2718
01:51:14,510 --> 01:51:11,159
space well before it's given in a way a

2719
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:14,520
kind of permission to play with the big

2720
01:51:21,530 --> 01:51:18,239
kids at the other spaces so

2721
01:51:24,169 --> 01:51:21,540
it would be so so fascinating if we

2722
01:51:26,209 --> 01:51:24,179
could get to see what it's like within

2723
01:51:29,330 --> 01:51:26,219
those family units and how they're

2724
01:51:31,850 --> 01:51:29,340
interacting with one another uh as they

2725
01:51:34,669 --> 01:51:31,860
sit around and and go through whatever

2726
01:51:36,649 --> 01:51:34,679
their rituals are it just would be the

2727
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:36,659
most fascinating thing and see how much

2728
01:51:40,430 --> 01:51:38,400
they have in common with us and and

2729
01:51:41,689 --> 01:51:40,440
perhaps how different they are

2730
01:51:44,689 --> 01:51:41,699
um Debs

2731
01:51:46,850 --> 01:51:44,699
so I was thinking also about the nature

2732
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:46,860
of reality a lot lately and Donald

2733
01:51:52,910 --> 01:51:50,159
Hoffman said he did some studies and

2734
01:51:55,790 --> 01:51:52,920
some research and found that the species

2735
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,800
that can't see reality as it is is

2736
01:52:01,010 --> 01:51:58,080
actually the fittest the one that will

2737
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:01,020
adapt and survive the longest which is

2738
01:52:05,090 --> 01:52:02,760
really interesting

2739
01:52:07,550 --> 01:52:05,100
um so it's actually if he who of us not

2740
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:07,560
to see everything apparently

2741
01:52:12,109 --> 01:52:09,360
um in some way or it might be too

2742
01:52:13,850 --> 01:52:12,119
overwhelming for for some people and who

2743
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:13,860
knows what would happen but when you

2744
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:15,840
said breadcrumbs I actually was thinking

2745
01:52:20,689 --> 01:52:18,480
of you mean like books written by

2746
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:20,699
government people like the skinwalkers

2747
01:52:24,830 --> 01:52:22,560
at the ranch that talks about dog man

2748
01:52:27,470 --> 01:52:24,840
that's what gave him my mind when you

2749
01:52:29,689 --> 01:52:27,480
said bread crumbs so I do think they're

2750
01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:29,699
actually coming out those breadcrumbs

2751
01:52:34,609 --> 01:52:32,760
from the government slowly and even the

2752
01:52:37,250 --> 01:52:34,619
fact that we have so many documentaries

2753
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,260
on these things that are out so much

2754
01:52:41,930 --> 01:52:39,840
going on on social media all of that is

2755
01:52:43,790 --> 01:52:41,940
part of the breadcrumbs

2756
01:52:45,169 --> 01:52:43,800
I was thinking chicken parm when he said

2757
01:52:46,970 --> 01:52:45,179
bread crumbs that's what's interesting

2758
01:52:48,590 --> 01:52:46,980
about that

2759
01:52:51,530 --> 01:52:48,600
um Matt

2760
01:52:56,030 --> 01:52:51,540
hold on just writing something down okay

2761
01:53:01,149 --> 01:52:56,040
never Place gravel with Nathan

2762
01:53:06,350 --> 01:53:04,370
I think transmogrification yeah but that

2763
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:06,360
one did it man that's got to be a trip

2764
01:53:10,669 --> 01:53:07,679
award score

2765
01:53:12,770 --> 01:53:10,679
uh so I think it's a

2766
01:53:15,709 --> 01:53:12,780
a combination of things maybe a perfect

2767
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:15,719
storm so to speak uh I I think first off

2768
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:19,020
these uh things are self-aware which

2769
01:53:24,350 --> 01:53:22,320
most animals are not uh self-aware that

2770
01:53:26,209 --> 01:53:24,360
live out in that

2771
01:53:29,090 --> 01:53:26,219
part of the woods

2772
01:53:31,550 --> 01:53:29,100
those type of areas you know deer and

2773
01:53:33,890 --> 01:53:31,560
things like that I mean perhaps they're

2774
01:53:37,490 --> 01:53:33,900
self-aware but they don't seem to be

2775
01:53:41,689 --> 01:53:37,500
um so in other words

2776
01:53:43,850 --> 01:53:41,699
how much do I give away so we at

2777
01:53:45,649 --> 01:53:43,860
different points in time have found

2778
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,659
evidence to believe that they're aware

2779
01:53:49,550 --> 01:53:47,760
that they leave tracks for instance

2780
01:53:54,169 --> 01:53:49,560
and that they will go out of their way

2781
01:53:56,750 --> 01:53:54,179
to not leave tracks or to hide their

2782
01:53:59,390 --> 01:53:56,760
tracks from us meaning that they know

2783
01:54:01,070 --> 01:53:59,400
that we can see their tracks and look at

2784
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:01,080
their tracks and can use those tracks

2785
01:54:06,109 --> 01:54:02,480
against them

2786
01:54:08,090 --> 01:54:06,119
but also as someone who grew up in a

2787
01:54:11,689 --> 01:54:08,100
family of outdoorsmen hunting and

2788
01:54:13,609 --> 01:54:11,699
fishing and spinning countless hours in

2789
01:54:17,209 --> 01:54:13,619
the Woods running around looking for

2790
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:17,219
animal tracks specifically I never saw a

2791
01:54:20,930 --> 01:54:19,199
Bigfoot track until I started to look

2792
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:20,940
for Bigfoot trucks

2793
01:54:26,209 --> 01:54:23,520
and I think that's

2794
01:54:28,490 --> 01:54:26,219
more likely the case that the

2795
01:54:31,129 --> 01:54:28,500
breadcrumbs are there people just don't

2796
01:54:33,290 --> 01:54:31,139
bother to look or whenever they do

2797
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:33,300
happen to run across them they just

2798
01:54:38,810 --> 01:54:36,480
assume it's a bear it's something else

2799
01:54:40,490 --> 01:54:38,820
that a human must have walked Barefoot

2800
01:54:43,609 --> 01:54:40,500
through here whatever the case may be

2801
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:43,619
and they just refuse to even go the

2802
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:45,420
direction of Bigfoot or Dogman or

2803
01:54:50,030 --> 01:54:47,760
anything else that they believe doesn't

2804
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:50,040
even exist so why entertain the thought

2805
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:53,040
that that could be a breadcrumb of that

2806
01:54:57,590 --> 01:54:55,440
individual creature

2807
01:54:59,689 --> 01:54:57,600
it's an enormous amount of concentration

2808
01:55:01,129 --> 01:54:59,699
any time you're walking through the

2809
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,139
woods and you're talking to your friend

2810
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:03,840
you are literally not going to pick up

2811
01:55:09,129 --> 01:55:06,480
on anything any signs that they leave

2812
01:55:11,810 --> 01:55:09,139
I've seen a couple of tracks in Ocala

2813
01:55:14,090 --> 01:55:11,820
and you know you have to really just not

2814
01:55:17,149 --> 01:55:14,100
be you know just in your own world

2815
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:17,159
looking and just doing that sort of 180

2816
01:55:22,970 --> 01:55:19,920
degree scan left to right up and down so

2817
01:55:25,070 --> 01:55:22,980
yeah I feel you Matt and great Answers

2818
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:25,080
by everybody great question by Vic but

2819
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:26,400
we knew it was going to be a great

2820
01:55:31,010 --> 01:55:28,320
question

2821
01:55:34,010 --> 01:55:31,020
um Vic thank you so much we'll do our

2822
01:55:35,570 --> 01:55:34,020
cabbie goodbyes now uh beginning with uh

2823
01:55:38,629 --> 01:55:35,580
Matt please

2824
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:38,639
Vic thank you for tolerating me once

2825
01:55:44,030 --> 01:55:42,239
again sir and uh coming on here with

2826
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,040
these Knuckleheads of my newfound

2827
01:55:49,550 --> 01:55:47,040
friends uh I have thoroughly enjoyed it

2828
01:55:52,129 --> 01:55:49,560
as always and uh thank you for

2829
01:55:55,370 --> 01:55:52,139
everything you do uh for dog man

2830
01:55:58,010 --> 01:55:55,380
Witnesses and uh Bigfoot Witnesses and

2831
01:55:59,990 --> 01:55:58,020
paranormal Witnesses and just uh

2832
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,000
everybody in general you're a great guy

2833
01:56:05,629 --> 01:56:02,159
and I'm uh proud to call you a friend

2834
01:56:07,250 --> 01:56:05,639
and I'm glad I've uh got to know you

2835
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:07,260
over these years and I look forward to

2836
01:56:13,609 --> 01:56:11,750
well thank you sir

2837
01:56:16,189 --> 01:56:13,619
I really can't say enough good things

2838
01:56:18,410 --> 01:56:16,199
about mad in return it's not uh just

2839
01:56:20,330 --> 01:56:18,420
cheap reciprocity

2840
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:20,340
when you look at all the players in the

2841
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:22,320
cryptic community

2842
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:24,239
I mean who's been around longer than

2843
01:56:29,450 --> 01:56:27,360
Matt that that does it the right way so

2844
01:56:31,850 --> 01:56:29,460
now I've always been really impressed by

2845
01:56:33,530 --> 01:56:31,860
the way you you do what you do Matt and

2846
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:33,540
I just wish there were more people in

2847
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:36,239
this like you so if anyone's looking to

2848
01:56:39,470 --> 01:56:37,679
get into this and it's looking for a

2849
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:39,480
good model well there's your model right

2850
01:56:44,810 --> 01:56:41,840
there to follow

2851
01:56:47,090 --> 01:56:44,820
is a blessing to have his friendship and

2852
01:56:48,890 --> 01:56:47,100
having part of the show and be able to

2853
01:56:50,689 --> 01:56:48,900
speak to him on the regular it really is

2854
01:56:52,490 --> 01:56:50,699
Debs

2855
01:56:54,830 --> 01:56:52,500
um thank you so much for coming and

2856
01:56:56,930 --> 01:56:54,840
speaking to us it's exciting to get to

2857
01:56:59,930 --> 01:56:56,940
approach a topic that we don't hear

2858
01:57:02,209 --> 01:56:59,940
about enough in my opinion I'd really

2859
01:57:04,370 --> 01:57:02,219
like of course for you to come back one

2860
01:57:06,300 --> 01:57:04,380
day and um if you want to just slip us

2861
01:57:10,850 --> 01:57:06,310
some of those dog man videos

2862
01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:12,109
always asking

2863
01:57:17,950 --> 01:57:14,159
if you show me I want to see um because

2864
01:57:22,550 --> 01:57:17,960
I'm not in the woods ever so

2865
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:22,560
thank you so much again truly

2866
01:57:26,689 --> 01:57:25,199
well thank you for having me thanks for

2867
01:57:28,669 --> 01:57:26,699
saying all those nice words but Matt

2868
01:57:31,490 --> 01:57:28,679
mentioned a check where do I get the

2869
01:57:33,770 --> 01:57:31,500
check we were talking to that guy right

2870
01:57:36,410 --> 01:57:33,780
now uh yeah checks in the mail as they

2871
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:36,420
used to say uh dick it's been a real

2872
01:57:39,470 --> 01:57:37,440
pleasure

2873
01:57:41,089 --> 01:57:39,480
um thank you so much for your time uh

2874
01:57:42,890 --> 01:57:41,099
being very generous generous with your

2875
01:57:45,950 --> 01:57:42,900
time and also sharing your heart I think

2876
01:57:48,169 --> 01:57:45,960
I got a really strong sense of your your

2877
01:57:50,390 --> 01:57:48,179
passion for the topic and but more than

2878
01:57:51,649 --> 01:57:50,400
that the passion for the people who've

2879
01:57:53,450 --> 01:57:51,659
had these experiences and your

2880
01:57:55,850 --> 01:57:53,460
willingness to listen to them even if

2881
01:57:57,530 --> 01:57:55,860
they don't end up on a podcast I know

2882
01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:57,540
that makes a huge difference and and

2883
01:58:01,370 --> 01:57:59,280
that comes through in your in your shows

2884
01:58:03,709 --> 01:58:01,380
and uh as something I picked up on right

2885
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:03,719
away which is why I wanted to share your

2886
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:06,480
content with DJ so it's a it's a real

2887
01:58:10,850 --> 01:58:08,400
pleasure to have you with us and to

2888
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:10,860
spend this chat with you

2889
01:58:15,530 --> 01:58:12,480
well it's been a pleasure talking with

2890
01:58:17,149 --> 01:58:15,540
all of you Deb I made some fun there but

2891
01:58:18,530 --> 01:58:17,159
no it's been great meeting you and

2892
01:58:20,450 --> 01:58:18,540
talking with you as well as everyone

2893
01:58:22,250 --> 01:58:20,460
here so yeah it's been a great time and

2894
01:58:24,050 --> 01:58:22,260
anytime you guys want to have me come

2895
01:58:26,270 --> 01:58:24,060
back on please do let me know I'd be

2896
01:58:28,490 --> 01:58:26,280
happy to come back

2897
01:58:31,129 --> 01:58:28,500
um yeah so yeah but just for my little

2898
01:58:33,709 --> 01:58:31,139
Asheville yeah definitely it was uh

2899
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:33,719
awesome to have you on uh Vic it's been

2900
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:35,760
so long that I wanted to have you on I

2901
01:58:39,050 --> 01:58:36,960
didn't know if it was going to happen so

2902
01:58:40,609 --> 01:58:39,060
I'm so glad that it has and next next

2903
01:58:43,370 --> 01:58:40,619
time we'd like to get some of your

2904
01:58:45,709 --> 01:58:43,380
favorite narratives that you've heard so

2905
01:58:47,450 --> 01:58:45,719
we'll save that uh and and hit that up

2906
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:47,460
on a part two because we'd love to hear

2907
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:49,920
on uh narratives that that moved you the

2908
01:58:54,050 --> 01:58:52,560
most for one reason or another

2909
01:58:55,729 --> 01:58:54,060
um and I'd like to just give you a

2910
01:58:57,709 --> 01:58:55,739
chance to just one more time to just say

2911
01:59:00,350 --> 01:58:57,719
the the shows that you have and again

2912
01:59:02,629 --> 01:59:00,360
the links uh that that Vic gives me will

2913
01:59:05,089 --> 01:59:02,639
be in the show notes of this episode but

2914
01:59:06,169 --> 01:59:05,099
please go ahead and say that speak that

2915
01:59:09,770 --> 01:59:06,179
out please

2916
01:59:12,229 --> 01:59:09,780
well I produce four podcasts the biggest

2917
01:59:13,669 --> 01:59:12,239
one by far is Dogman encounters if you'd

2918
01:59:15,649 --> 01:59:13,679
like to find out how to listen to the

2919
01:59:18,410 --> 01:59:15,659
show well of course Dogman encounters is

2920
01:59:21,890 --> 01:59:18,420
available in podcast format on your

2921
01:59:24,290 --> 01:59:21,900
favorite podcast platform just like all

2922
01:59:26,209 --> 01:59:24,300
the other shows are but to find out as

2923
01:59:28,430 --> 01:59:26,219
much info as you can about Dogman

2924
01:59:31,129 --> 01:59:28,440
encounters what I do the show you name

2925
01:59:33,490 --> 01:59:31,139
it please go to the website which is at

2926
01:59:36,649 --> 01:59:33,500
dog

2927
01:59:38,750 --> 01:59:36,659
manencounters.com and then as far as my

2928
01:59:40,850 --> 01:59:38,760
new Bigfoot show would go it's called My

2929
01:59:44,209 --> 01:59:40,860
Bigfoot sighting what makes it different

2930
01:59:46,010 --> 01:59:44,219
is I don't interview the guest I don't

2931
01:59:48,649 --> 01:59:46,020
ask any questions there's no back and

2932
01:59:50,689 --> 01:59:48,659
forth It's just true story time where I

2933
01:59:52,910 --> 01:59:50,699
witness after eyewitness comes on and

2934
01:59:55,910 --> 01:59:52,920
shares their Sasquatch related

2935
01:59:58,189 --> 01:59:55,920
experiences my Bigfoot sighting is also

2936
02:00:01,729 --> 01:59:58,199
available on any of the podcast

2937
02:00:04,070 --> 02:00:01,739
platforms out there spreaker Spotify you

2938
02:00:07,070 --> 02:00:04,080
name it it's on your favorite podcast

2939
02:00:10,250 --> 02:00:07,080
platform it's also available on YouTube

2940
02:00:12,609 --> 02:00:10,260
again it's called My Bigfoot sighting if

2941
02:00:15,470 --> 02:00:12,619
you go to my

2942
02:00:18,649 --> 02:00:15,480
bigfootciting.com you can find out more

2943
02:00:21,950 --> 02:00:18,659
about the show and then my staple as far

2944
02:00:24,830 --> 02:00:21,960
as my Bigfoot podcast skill that would

2945
02:00:27,589 --> 02:00:24,840
be Bigfoot eyewitness radio

2946
02:00:30,950 --> 02:00:27,599
to find out more about that show please

2947
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:30,960
go to bigfooteywitness.com my Bigfoot

2948
02:00:35,870 --> 02:00:33,119
sighting is really gaining on that very

2949
02:00:38,209 --> 02:00:35,880
quickly but yeah it started airing

2950
02:00:41,390 --> 02:00:38,219
episodes of Bigfoot eyewitness in 2016

2951
02:00:44,149 --> 02:00:41,400
so it's been around for a long time but

2952
02:00:48,790 --> 02:00:44,159
yeah lastly is my paranormal podcast

2953
02:00:51,490 --> 02:00:48,800
it's called My paranormal experience

2954
02:00:54,169 --> 02:00:51,500
it's available on all the podcast

2955
02:00:56,689 --> 02:00:54,179
platforms as well it's available on

2956
02:00:59,390 --> 02:00:56,699
YouTube to find out more about that show

2957
02:01:02,830 --> 02:00:59,400
please go to my

2958
02:01:05,950 --> 02:01:02,840
p a r a e

2959
02:01:11,270 --> 02:01:09,250
myperax.com and you can find out

2960
02:01:14,050 --> 02:01:11,280
basically whatever you'd like to know

2961
02:01:16,089 --> 02:01:14,060
about the show so

2962
02:01:21,709 --> 02:01:16,099
amen

2963
02:01:23,990 --> 02:01:21,719
having said all that that was awesome

2964
02:01:25,970 --> 02:01:24,000
man you got I I don't know how you have

2965
02:01:28,129 --> 02:01:25,980
time with all these shows but uh it's

2966
02:01:30,770 --> 02:01:28,139
it's a great it's a great pursuit to

2967
02:01:32,990 --> 02:01:30,780
have and it's so much fun to to do as a

2968
02:01:35,750 --> 02:01:33,000
hobby I'm glad you're able to to get out

2969
02:01:37,850 --> 02:01:35,760
for these things so um we you guys will

2970
02:01:41,270 --> 02:01:37,860
see uh Vic back here for part two we'll

2971
02:01:43,729 --> 02:01:41,280
do it again so for uh debt for Vic for

2972
02:01:46,310 --> 02:01:43,739
Deb for Matt for money Nathan and for

2973
02:01:49,129 --> 02:01:46,320
our departed Leah Prime and Jules in the

2974
02:01:52,189 --> 02:01:49,139
chat thank you Jules this is DJ Singh

2975
02:01:54,410 --> 02:01:52,199
peace out one love we'll see you down

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02:01:57,040 --> 02:01:54,420
the road and as always the cabbies are